In Control Foot and Hand Throttle setup

[Flat Broke]

As I get closer to buying a whacker setup, I'm starting to think about controls. For driving the boat hard I already know I want a foot throttle; but for cruising, I wouldn't mind a hand throttle separate from the shifter. When In Control was in business they offered a dual control setup. I've never seen one in person, but am curious as to how well they worked. Any input from those of you who may have run that setup would be helpful. I also wouldn't mind recommendations for similar setups from other mfgs or info on whether anyone bought up In Control's tooling/leftover stock, and is selling their stuff.

Thanks,
Chris

 

[Taboma]

Have the InControl hand throttle / foot throttle setup on my I/O Cole Nighthawk. Use it as a cruise control and it works great --- but rule # 1 is, when you set the hand throttle foot comes off the pedal immediately. Once set it you can not reduce speed below set throttle position with the pedal. Potentially dangerous for that reason.
Not sure who else might make a similar setup and for liability reasons who would want to.
I can't recall (Installed in 98) if that was the intended purpose or it was a modified twin whacker setup converted.
Jim Cole installed it when he rigged the boat.

 

[Flat Broke]

Sounds like it works like I'd hope: when driving with the foot pedal, the hand throttle stays at its idle position; then once you move the hand throttle, it supercedes any foot control. If that's how it functions, I'm totally cool with that.

Now to figure out where to pick one up when the time comes.

 

[Taboma]

That's correct. Use one or the other, or use the foot then set the hand throttle for cruising --- or use it when it gets sloppy to keep from bouncing on the go pedal.
But no safety to disengage it if you switch back to pedal to punch it.
If I recall the first time I saw it was on a 22' DCB whacker tunnel at Dave's shop, liked the idea of having the cruise so had Cole set mine up with it.
Good luck tracking one down.

 

[GregG]

The unit was not often seen when they were in business, let me know if you find out who has them. There is also a European manufacturer of this type of system, I will have to dig up my notes and post.

 

[Flat Broke]

Greg,

Don't hold high hopes of finding a complete setup. My guess is that I'll have to source it piecemeal, and possibly beg for pics of the adapter setup to replicate one, as that will likely be the hardest part to find. I'll call diamond marine tomorrow to see if they might have anything laying around. I guess I could also hit up DMP and see if they'd be interested in making an adapter to add the same capability to their side mount controls.

Chris

 

[GregG]

Here is a dual foot/hand throttle alternative from Sjoberg Racing in Europe. If RD wants, I suspect that he could become the US Distributor for it. It is supposed to be a better then the In Control unit was.

 

[KAP]

Comment:

Well IN CONTROL foot throttles will now be made by CP Performance. I spoke to Scott at the LA boat show and they are gearing up to produce these units. When asked when that will happen he could not say. Stay tuned.

I agree with RvrRat having a foot throttle is the only way to roll. However, in a offshore boat I have come to find out hand throttles are what customers prefer.

This forced me to now drive from the port side versus starboard so as I can have the throttles and trim controls in my right hand.

KAP

P.S. Anyone have a picture of this Sjoberg throttle I could not find anything.

 

[GregG]

I keep trying to post a pic but the server seems broken

Land & Sea started the concept, In-Control made it better although some say the unit has way too much friction.

 

[GregG]

Here is a photo of a dual use In-Control hand and foot throttle installed on a 21 Rallysport for $1200.

 

[GregG]

And here is the European units pic ............evidently used in F1 Champ boats. I tried to acquire some but could not get a deal done. I think if I had a translator it would have helped move things along.

 

[RiverDave]

I keep trying to post a pic but the server seems broken

Land & Sea started the concept, In-Control made it better although some say the unit has way too much friction.

It might be the pic was too big. Trying resizing it to smaller then 500KB

RD

 

[Flat Broke]

Here is a photo of a dual use In-Control hand and foot throttle installed on a 21 Rallysport for $1200.

Greg,

Not to side track this thread, but that looks very Challenger/Superboat/Shadowish. Can you PM me some info on those boats and email me any other pictures you may have?

And here is the European units pic ............evidently used in F1 Champ boats. I tried to acquire some but could not get a deal done. I think if I had a translator it would have helped move things along.

It looks like the top cable goes to the hand throttle and the bottom one goes to the engine. Simple enough, and if there is enough adjustment on the friction brake for the DMP side controls, it seems like I could basically use those with one of the In-Control foot pedals and be GTG. Making the elongated slot cable end is simple enough, then it's just a matter of another anchor point and cable clamp to be added to an existing foot pedal.

The only downer I see about this setup in general is that in order not to have a seriously stiff hand throttle, you have to have a soft foot throttle and carb/throttlebody return spring. In rough water in a smaller boat, that could make for a foot cramp trying to keep the throttle from bouncing all over the place.

Just the same, thanks for the pics as now I know how it works and what to replicate if needed.

Chris

 

[Flying_Lavey]

And here is the European units pic ............evidently used in F1 Champ boats. I tried to acquire some but could not get a deal done. I think if I had a translator it would have helped move things along.

Greg,

Not to side track this thread, but that looks very Challenger/Superboat/Shadowish. Can you PM me some info on those boats and email me any other pictures you may have?



It looks like the top cable goes to the hand throttle and the bottom one goes to the engine. Simple enough, and if there is enough adjustment on the friction brake for the DMP side controls, it seems like I could basically use those with one of the In-Control foot pedals and be GTG. Making the elongated slot cable end is simple enough, then it's just a matter of another anchor point and cable clamp to be added to an existing foot pedal.

The only downer I see about this setup in general is that in order not to have a seriously stiff hand throttle, you have to have a soft foot throttle and carb/throttlebody return spring. In rough water in a smaller boat, that could make for a foot cramp trying to keep the throttle from bouncing all over the place.

Just the same, thanks for the pics as now I know how it works and what to replicate if needed.

Chris

The throttle linkage on the pedal looks remarkably similar to a Hoot Foot throttle pedal that has the connections for both Merc and OMC throttles (Merc throttles pull and OMC's push). If thats the case, you might be able to just use one of those and make it work with a hand throttle.

 

[GregG]

Thanks guys for the comments. It was fairly frustrating attempting to deal with the European manufacturer, but I can say that I touched based with several people using the product over there and it was all :thumbsup

The build quality is supposed to be excellent and given it can take both push and pull cable sounds like there would be a nice market for it. All kidding aside, if RD does not want to OEM it, perhaps someone who knows the folks at CP can talk to them. I would think it would be great to have two "cruise control" options for the entire NA wacker market

 

[RiverDave]

Thanks guys for te comments. It was fairly frustrating attempting to deal with the European manufacturer, but I can say that I touched based with several people using the product over there and it was all :thumbsup

The build quality is supposed to be excellent and given it can take both push and pull cable sounds like there would be a nice market for it. All kidding aside, if RD does not want to OEM it, perhaps someone who knows the folks at CP can talk to them. I would think it would be great to have two "cruise control" options for the entire NA wacker market

I have to talk to cp today, I will show them this thread..

RD

 

[GregG]

That would be great Dave, let us know how it goes with CP. I could never get clear feedback on the In-Control unit so maybe you can ask about that as well as the Euro option.

 

[rexman100]

Hey guys Ive been searching high and low for a dual action hot foot. Land and Sea , Incontrol, the Swedish racing company...no luck..have any of you find one? hoping since the thread is old maybe some progress.

 

[GregG]

Draggin it back to the top for the combo throttle seach :grumble:

 

[RiverDave]

CP purchased IN CONTROL's inventory and is currently making their products. I am going to order one today.

 

[GregG]

CP purchased IN CONTROL's inventory and is currently making their products. I am going to order one today.

Yes they did, but they are not going to build the "dual use" hand/foot throttle that Boston based In Control had built.