How good is Lucas oil?...........

[Riverbound]

We have been running some tests for a customer in order to prove just how much better or oil is then what they are currently using. so we had a 3rd party do the oil analysis for us on one of their pieces of machinery. the oil they were using was Delo 15-40 which is pretty much the go to oil for diesels and what most consider a "good" oil. Well after everything was said and done the customer now has a different opinion as the "proof is in the puddin' " so to say.

This first analysis is the customer's current oil at their normal interval of changing oil at 200 hours. as you can see the oil is already begining to break down and in fact the lab is asking to confirm that it is in fact a 15/40 and not a 5/30 (the oil had already begun breaking down so badly).

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[Riverbound]

So then we ran Lucas 15/40 in the same piece of equipment and ran an analysis at 200 hours. the most notable things are the increases in metals (high zinc, phosphourous,calcium) these are all high pressure additives and detergents. Take special note of the Viscosity between the two oils.

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[Riverbound]

So here is the most amazing part...at 200 hours the delo was broken down to the point they weren't even sure it was a 15/40. Here we are with the Lucas at 400 hours and they are recommending pushing it out another 150-200 hours (600 total) before sending in another analysis. we have tripled the service interval for this one piece of machinery. and all the while the protection is leaps and bounds better than what they had before.

At 400 hours our oil is still like new. :thumbsup

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[pronstar]

Great thread...textbook for how to sell a good product :thumbsup

 

[Riverbound]

This is all work we did for a board member here not something I pulled off the internet or that was sent to me.

 

[Hammer]

That's pretty impressive RB , I like the fact that you did a chemical analysis between each oil to prove Lucas is a superior product .

 

[Riverbound]

Great thread...textbook for how to sell a good product :thumbsup

The product sold itself. I have been running their product for years and knew it was better, but until this I didn't know how much better. I run the same oil in my truck and on occasion run it out to 10k between changes. Always worried about it. to be honest I have no concerns now and could probably go much longer between changes if need be.

 

[LHC30]

How does filtering media affect the results? One problem I've heard about on diesels is the carbon from the fuel creates more problems than the heat/pressure.

 

[Riverbound]

How does filtering media affect the results? One problem I've heard about on diesels is the carbon from the fuel creates more problems than the heat/pressure.

In this case the filters, fuel, and operation of the tractor were all similar. the only thing that was changed was the oil. obviously different filter setups will either increase or decrease interval changes.

 

[rivrrts429]

Damn... That is impressive! I'm going to share this with the guys in our fleet/service department. We don't hold on to our equipment much longer than 3500 - 4k hours before we ship to auction but I would be curious to see the cost savings of extending the service intervals.

RB - What truck do you have that your running it out to 10k miles between changes?

 

[Riverbound]

Damn... That is impressive! I'm going to share this with the guys in our fleet/service department. We don't hold on to our equipment much longer than 3500 - 4k hours before we ship to auction but I would be curious to see the cost savings of extending the service intervals.

RB - What truck do you have that your running it out to 10k miles between changes?

2007 dodge cummins. Its supposed to be at 7500 but on occasion I run out further. I have a buddy who runs 20k intervals on our oil...but he does analysis once a month and even at 20k he is still saying its good. Mind you he has some super filtration deal...larger pans etc. Makes his own diesel etc..

 

[Riverbound]

Damn... That is impressive! I'm going to share this with the guys in our fleet/service department. We don't hold on to our equipment much longer than 3500 - 4k hours before we ship to auction but I would be curious to see the cost savings of extending the service intervals.

RB - What truck do you have that your running it out to 10k miles between changes?

If they are interested I would love to have a chance at the business. :thumbsup

 

[rivrrts429]

2007 dodge cummins. Its supposed to be at 7500 but on occasion I run out further. I have a buddy who runs 20k intervals on our oil...but he does analysis once a month and even at 20k he is still saying its good. Mind you he has some super filtration deal...larger pans etc. Makes his own diesel etc..

May have to try in my Ford. Thanks for the info :thumbsup

 

[Hallett270act]

That is impressive!

 

[ultra26shadow]

Was this similar delo vs similar Lucas? I would assume the Lucas was a synthetic diesel oil? But was the the delo the synthetic delo? I have ran the synthetic delo vs the regular delo and I can see a huge difference in the syn delo with mileage and engine temps. Never ran Lucas oil and I am due for a oil change. Ran Mobil 1 syn and love it but its very hard to find. So who in havasu can do a Lucas oil change for me? 08 dmax

 

[Riverbound]

Both oils were non synthetic. Ci4 diesel oils.

 

[rrrr]

So the Lucas holds its vicosity but wear (as indicated by iron content) increases greatly...read the comments on the second test and note the jump in iron content on the second and third.

 

[Riverbound]

So the Lucas holds its vicosity but wear (as indicated by iron content) increases greatly...read the comments on the second test and note the jump in iron content on the second and third.

According to the chemist as well as the lab. This is due to the detergents doing their job. This was a concern in the beginning. But was told the first two-three changes would show this.

 

[Ultra28]

That is impressive. Looks like I'll have to get a hold of you to go over all the different fluids I'll be needing for our trucks.

 

[floatn turd]

So, what exact oil should I run for a Ford diesel in socal? I need to change my oil this weekend anyways, so I guess I will try this crap out. Or if you have a pic of the bottle.

Thanks

 

[Faceaz]

So the Lucas holds its vicosity but wear (as indicated by iron content) increases greatly...read the comments on the second test and note the jump in iron content on the second and third.

That's what I first noticed too. The comments on the Delo read like they are in disbelief that the oil has 200 hrs on it because there is so little wear :headscratch:

I've actually been using the Lucas Synthetics in my bikes & been very happy with it :thumbsup.

 

[RVR SWPR]

Was this similar delo vs similar Lucas? I would assume the Lucas was a synthetic diesel oil? But was the the delo the synthetic delo? I have ran the synthetic delo vs the regular delo and I can see a huge difference in the syn delo with mileage and engine temps. Never ran Lucas oil and I am due for a oil change. Ran Mobil 1 syn and love it but its very hard to find. So who in havasu can do a Lucas oil change for me? 08 dmax

Robinson Automotive - 1640 W.Acoma - 928-764-1562- He is Shadow on these boards.

 

[ka0tyk]

does the fuel % have anything to do with the oil breaking down? if im reading the charts correctly the first oil is like a 2.0 whereas lucas is .5? seems like quite a bit of difference?

 

[HavasuHank]

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[Hammer]

The way I read the comments is the Delo is a good product up to 220 hours, the Lucas can go to 400 hours.....

 

[RiverDave]

Was this similar delo vs similar Lucas? I would assume the Lucas was a synthetic diesel oil? But was the the delo the synthetic delo? I have ran the synthetic delo vs the regular delo and I can see a huge difference in the syn delo with mileage and engine temps. Never ran Lucas oil and I am due for a oil change. Ran Mobil 1 syn and love it but its very hard to find. So who in havasu can do a Lucas oil change for me? 08 dmax

I'd call Shadow at Robinson Automotive.. Is the truck newer with Cats?

So the Lucas holds its vicosity but wear (as indicated by iron content) increases greatly...read the comments on the second test and note the jump in iron content on the second and third.

The increased Iron is largely due to the fact that the Lucas is initially cleaning the deposts out of the engine block. I'd wager most on RDP aren't oil experts, I know I'm not.. So I asked Lucas

From how it was explained to me.. You need to pay attention to the viscosity %'s at the bottom. You need to look at the various Elements above them. The elements some of them are "wear" elements out of the motor, and some of them are oil elements that are describing the additive pack in the oil.

Example Iron : Wear element out of the motor.
Calcium : Part of Oil's additive pack, used as a "detergent" to clean the engine.
Zinc : Best high pressure additive there is in an oil.

The reason the iron is high, is because the cleaning aspect of Lucas is very high.. It is cleaning the motor, this is still on it's first oil change even though we are heading towards 600 hrs. Generally when you first switch to Lucas oil, your first one or two oil changes will turn very dark very quickly (black).. Then after a few rotations it gets cleaner and cleaner, longer and longer.

So, what exact oil should I run for a Ford diesel in socal? I need to change my oil this weekend anyways, so I guess I will try this crap out. Or if you have a pic of the bottle.

Thanks

What year model?

That's what I first noticed too. The comments on the Delo read like they are in disbelief that the oil has 200 hrs on it because there is so little wear :headscratch:

I've actually been using the Lucas Synthetics in my bikes & been very happy with it :thumbsup.

The reason the iron is higher in the Lucas is because the detergents are so high in the oil, and it is cleaning the deposits out of the block. Bare in mind we haven't had the opportunity to put fresh oil in it yet because the oil is still good. The 1st couple of oil changes with Lucas will clean out the motor (as indicated by the calcium levels, which is one of the main ingredients in the additive pack for a detergent). After the oil (even with a sticky injector) has surpassed the old oil by 3 times the life (going on 4), I'd say it proved the point that its' a far superior product. Wait until after the 2nd or 3rd oil change, and you will see wear levels like you won't believe. You can literally make a motor almost "wear out proof" if you take care of it (let it warm up etc..) and use good oils.

does the fuel % have anything to do with the oil breaking down? if im reading the charts correctly the first oil is like a 2.0 whereas lucas is .5? seems like quite a bit of difference?

kayotik the tractor had developed sticky injector or something, right at the time he switched to Lucas (not related to the oil obviously). Truth be told the test wasn't 100% fair to Lucas because it had to deal with a much harsher environment with fuel in it. It surpassed the competitor even under those conditions, and the fuel eventually burned / evaporated out of the oil, and they said to keep going. At 400 hours they still said keep going another 200 hrs. Now that the injector is fixed (somewhere between the 200/400 hr mark) when we get fresh oil in there at 600 or ?? hrs, you will see even better trending into the future.


This was supposed to be my article for the front page next week, but Billdo put it on the forums (he didn't know I was writing it). I may still write it, with some direct quotes from BlackStone and Lucas chemist etc.. Just to shed some more light on it.

RD

 

[RiverDave]

The way I read the comments is the Delo is a good product up to 220 hours, the Lucas can go to 400 hours.....

Actually at 400 they said to go to 600 and check it again.. Might even go further, but both Bill and I would like to get Fresh oil in there after the 600 hour oil report. We'd like to try this again without a sticky injector and now that some of the deposits are starting to get cleaned out, and see how far it will actually go. We know 600 is achievable even with a sticky injector and on it's first "cleaning" oil change..

After 2 or 3 oil changes, maybe 750 - 800?

So in a nutshell if the product costs the same or within 10% in most cases.. And you can run it 4 times as long in semi's, tractors etc.. Have less wear on the motor, and better protection. How much does that save a trucking fleet? Or a farm? Quite a bit.

RD

 

[ka0tyk]

Generally when you first switch to Lucas oil, your first one or two oil changes will turn very dark very quickly (black).. Then after a few rotations it gets cleaner and cleaner, longer and longer.

RD

so you're saying the black one is longer? :headscratch:

 

[RiverDave]

so you're saying the black one is longer? :headscratch:

No I'm saying that generally a motor will have a lot of deposits / junk in it from over the years. Most oils don't have a very high detergent pack in them, and so there it sits. When you first switch to Lucas, in particular their performance line of oils (like this particular magnum Diesel oil) it has a lot of calcium and other detergents in it.

So the oil goes in.. Oil cleans motor, keeps dirt / junk in suspension in the oil. You drain oil, oil is dark because it has been cleaning motor and dirt / junk is in oil (no longer in the motor, which is what you want) After 1-2-3 oil changes it has generally gotten everything out of the motor it's gonna get, and it will start looking newer and newer at longer and longer intervals.

RD

 

[Riverbound]

Well. Looks like RD pretty much covered everything.

 

[Riverbound]

So, what exact oil should I run for a Ford diesel in socal? I need to change my oil this weekend anyways, so I guess I will try this crap out. Or if you have a pic of the bottle.

Thanks

What year? There are two different magnum diesel oils. One is a ci4 (for non smog diesels) and one is a cj4 for 2007 and newer diesels.

I have both available in SoCal and can deliver or ship depending on where you're located.

 

[Riverbound]

This analysis is of our standard diesel oil. Now imagine how good our High-performance marine oils are

 

[Paul65k]

Sorry if this is a stupid question but..............would these results and cleaning out old deposits be similar in a standard Gasoline V8.

I've only ever used standard 10-30 or 10-40 in my Chevy and now that the miles are getting close to 70K this thread got me thinking???:headscratch:

 

[Joker]

What year? There are two different magnum diesel oils. One is a ci4 (for non smog diesels) and one is a cj4 for 2007 and newer diesels.

I have both available in SoCal and can deliver or ship depending on where you're located.

Do you deliver to Huntington and this stuff works good in an 06 with a 5.9?

 

[lake p.a.l.]

I have 150,000 miles on my 2005 Duramax. I need an oil change and would like to switch to Lucas because I plan on keeping this truck. What should I use? How long should I run with the Lucas after the first oil change before the second oil change, etc? Thanks

 

[Joker]

I have 150,000 miles on my 2005 Duramax. I need an oil change and would like to switch to Lucas because I plan on keeping this truck. What should I use? How long should I run with the Lucas after the first oil change before the second oil change, etc? Thanks

Good question.

 

[Riverbound]

I have 150,000 miles on my 2005 Duramax. I need an oil change and would like to switch to Lucas because I plan on keeping this truck. What should I use? How long should I run with the Lucas after the first oil change before the second oil change, etc? Thanks

CI4 magnum diesel. The exact oil in this test is the perfect oil for non smog (no cat) diesels.

 

[Riverbound]

Do you deliver to Huntington and this stuff works good in an 06 with a 5.9?

I live in HB and have some In my garage. And yes this is the exact oil I use. In my 2007 5.9

 

[HolyMoly]

Lucas Oil? Never heard of it.

 

[Faceaz]

Actually at 400 they said to go to 600 and check it again.. Might even go further, but both Bill and I would like to get Fresh oil in there after the 600 hour oil report. We'd like to try this again without a sticky injector and now that some of the deposits are starting to get cleaned out, and see how far it will actually go. We know 600 is achievable even with a sticky injector and on it's first "cleaning" oil change..

After 2 or 3 oil changes, maybe 750 - 800?

So in a nutshell if the product costs the same or within 10% in most cases.. And you can run it 4 times as long in semi's, tractors etc.. Have less wear on the motor, and better protection. How much does that save a trucking fleet? Or a farm? Quite a bit.

RD

Quite a bit is right. The savings on oil is negligable compared to pulling it out of service, transport to the mechanic, the mechanics hours, etc. The tractors, rollers, etc. we had were always run into the ground because the mechnics couldn't keep up & the owner didn't want to pay the cost of transport.

 

[Riverbound]

Sorry if this is a stupid question but..............would these results and cleaning out old deposits be similar in a standard Gasoline V8.

I've only ever used standard 10-30 or 10-40 in my Chevy and now that the miles are getting close to 70K this thread got me thinking???:headscratch:

Yes. All of our oils Maintain high levels of detergents and protective additives.

 

[Joker]

Shall I call for pricing or is this public knowledge?

 

[screaming pete]

my 95 dodge w 5.9 cummins has 430k on it and when i did a Lucas Oil change within 50 miles it ran quieter...i havent had to change it yet but combined with the fuel treatment its like a new truck now:thumbsup:thumbsup

sp

 

[HolyMoly]

I'm running the high zinc in my 7.3 PSD and am very happy with it. It was burning a little oil, so I started using the Lucas Additive and then switched to the synthetic additive. Plus, I run the Lucas Fuel additive. I didn't notice any increase in mpg...just overall performance seems to be smoother with the oil and fuel additive....turbo comes up much quicker, especially when cold.

I also run their standard oil in my generators, motorcycles, wife's van, fork oil, chain lube, marine grease, and even trying the gun lube....except their gun lube bottle f'n sucks!!!!

I put the flex fuel additive in my toy hauler fuel cell, and the fuel not only stabilizes really well, but then generator starts very quickly! I actually added the flex fuel additive to some old stinky gas, and it actually made it usable (for my yard equipment).

You guys should talk to BoatFloating about getting some custom shipping boxes that will survive UPS/FedEx and look very professional with your Sinthetix logo on it. :thumbsup

 

[HolyMoly]

Shall I call for pricing or is this public knowledge?

http://www.mysinthetix.com/ :thumbsup

 

[Joker]

http://www.mysinthetix.com/ :thumbsup

Thank you

 

[Riverbound]

I'm running the high zinc in my 7.3 PSD and am very happy with it. It was burning a little oil, so I started using the Lucas Additive and then switched to the synthetic additive. Plus, I run the Lucas Fuel additive. I didn't notice any increase in mpg...just overall performance seems to be smoother with the oil and fuel additive....turbo comes up much quicker, especially when cold.

I also run their standard oil in my generators, motorcycles, wife's van, fork oil, chain lube, marine grease, and even trying the gun lube....except their gun lube bottle f'n sucks!!!!

I put the flex fuel additive in my toy hauler fuel cell, and the fuel not only stabilizes really well, but then generator starts very quickly! I actually added the flex fuel additive to some old stinky gas, and it actually made it usable (for my yard equipment).

You guys should talk to BoatFloating about getting some custom shipping boxes that will survive UPS/FedEx and look very professional with your Sinthetix logo on it. :thumbsup

Not a fan of the pampers boxes?

When I ship it looks good.

 

[HolyMoly]

Not a fan of the pampers boxes?

Since I have 5 kids, one who is still in diapers and another in pull-ups....I already have enough pampers boxes.

 

[Flyinbowtie]

Which one of your products was used in this test, and what do you suggest for a 97 F-350 7.3...it has 96k on it if that matters.
I am assuming this is sold by the gallon, and available in 6 gallon cases?
Wonder what shipping is like to 95945...

 

[OCMerrill]

spam

No doubt.

I could get on board with Lucas stuff but I want to see the total metals content reduced. That's hard to swallow just being told its because of the detergents but I do understand what Bill is saying. I also have to get on board with the possibility that Delo leaves all the wear metals in the engine. Holy fuck...

I run Delo 400 in EVERYTHING except my own personal Dodge Cummins truck. That I run Val Prem. Blue because thats whats always been run in there. Its a pain to find.

So Bill please add more testing to this. I am liking it so far. I own 6 Diesels/ Three Cummins common rail and and three Isuzu 5.2l 4cy in box trucks. All hold 3 gallons each. My Isuzu's are 250k miles all on Delo. It does thin and we can tell at their 5k drains.