Hmmmm...

[squeezer]

'No Evidence' Yet That Recovered COVID-19 Patients Are Immune, WHO Says

The World Health Organization warned against "immunity passports," which allow travel only to recovered patients, saying studies must first confirm whether people are indeed safe from reinfection.

www.npr.org

 

[Racey]

Lol because the WHO has been such a consistently reliable source of information on this....

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

'No Evidence' Yet That Recovered COVID-19 Patients Are Immune, WHO Says

The World Health Organization warned against "immunity passports," which allow travel only to recovered patients, saying studies must first confirm whether people are indeed safe from reinfection.

www.npr.org

I understand your concern since this is coming from the same geniuses that said this virus had a 3.4% mortality rate 6 weeks ago.

WHO says coronavirus death rate is 3.4% globally, higher than previously thought

World health officials say the death rate for COVID-19 is 3.4% globally, higher than previous estimates of about 2%.

www.google.com

 

[squeezer]

I understand your concern since this is coming from the same geniuses that said this virus had a 3.4% mortality rate 6 weeks ago.

WHO says coronavirus death rate is 3.4% globally, higher than previously thought

World health officials say the death rate for COVID-19 is 3.4% globally, higher than previous estimates of about 2%.

www.google.com

And I understand your ignorance as you are trusting the people that say the USA is overreacting with 5% of the worlds population and 25% of the Covid deaths...

 

[lbhsbz]

And I understand your ignorance as you are trusting the people that say the USA is overreacting with 5% of the worlds population and 25% of the Covid deaths...

it would appear you also understand liberal math

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

And I understand your ignorance as you are trusting the people that say the USA is overreacting with 5% of the worlds population and 25% of the Covid deaths...

And your ignorance trusting those who repeatedly obfuscated the truth and spread misinformation to the world.

All from a virus that has about a %.5 mortality rate at best.

 

[Wizard29]

Questions for you, Squeezer...Where would you draw the line as far as how long the government/WHO/liberal friends tell you to stay home and be afraid of this thing? Another month? Six months? A year? Two years?

When do you say enough is enough and finally make decisions for yourself in terms of being in charge of your own life and deciding what’s good for you as far as what precautions you will take?

 

[Ragged Edge]

Ha Ha, the WHO. The same organization that parroted China's "there is no human to human transmission of the virus"? Why should anyone pay any attention to what is actually just another arm of the Chinese propaganda machine?

 

[WhatExit?]

'No Evidence' Yet That Recovered COVID-19 Patients Are Immune, WHO Says

The World Health Organization warned against "immunity passports," which allow travel only to recovered patients, saying studies must first confirm whether people are indeed safe from reinfection.

www.npr.org

The WHO has ZERO credibility in my book. And if you bothered to do any searching you would have found this:

Revealing S. Korean studies show antibodies could thwart COVID-19 reinfection, spread

Results from two new South Korean studies shed light on whether antibodies will be a reliable form of protection against COVID-19 for those who have recovered.

abcnews.go.com

 

[Thunderhead1]

Questions for you, Squeezer...Where would you draw the line as far as how long the government/WHO/liberal friends tell you to stay home and be afraid of this thing? Another month? Six months? A year? Two years?

When do you say enough is enough and finally make decisions for yourself in terms of being in charge of your own life and deciding what’s good for you as far as what precautions you will take?

People like Squeezer will file right into the train car and ask no questions.... they will believe the propaganda that they are going to a safer place provided by the Government.

 

[94Nautique]

The guy running WHO is a Card carrying, member of his country Marxist party. And he’s an epidemiologist with ties to China. He knows how to make a fringe flu sound really dangerous to everyone even though it’s only dangerous to a few. He also has a massive desire to tear apart capitalism at its very core. He is Dr. Who, literally, but instead of ransom requests for 1 billion dollars, he’s getting off on destroying our economic viability.

Fuck that bastard.

 

[squeezer]

And your ignorance trusting those who repeatedly obfuscated the truth and spread misinformation to the world.

All from a virus that has about a %.5 mortality rate at best.

So if we can agree on anything is that this is a number problem... The question I have for you is what numbers matter? What is the metric we should be looking at in judging what our reaction needs to be here?

 

[squeezer]

Questions for you, Squeezer...Where would you draw the line as far as how long the government/WHO/liberal friends tell you to stay home and be afraid of this thing? Another month? Six months? A year? Two years?

When do you say enough is enough and finally make decisions for yourself in terms of being in charge of your own life and deciding what’s good for you as far as what precautions you will take?

Where do I draw the line personally?

Seeing I work from home the majority of the time anyway all this means to me “Personally” is I don’t have to travel to Asia and get to spend a ton more time with my wife and kids...

You don’t want the decisions being made here to reflect what’s best for me.

The metric I would suggest would be based on medical realities of the virus. We are not far enough into this thing to even begin saying what the impacts are... Real numbers, based on accurate tests and statistically valid sample sizes and time periods. Which by the way we can’t even define yet.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

So if we can agree on anything is that this is a number problem... The question I have for you is what numbers matter? What is the metric we should be looking at in judging what our reaction needs to be here?

The latest data is probably more accurate then the data from 2 months ago that got us into this mess, wouldn’t you say?

Imagine what the response would have been if we knew 2 months ago that this disease Has a sub 1% mortality rate, more than 50% of the people that have it have mild to no symptoms, and It primarily affects and disproportionately kills the elderly?

Instead incorrect modeling was use based on inaccurate numbers and the world freaked out at the inaccurate results.

Think we would have had a different response had we known 2 months ago what I mentioned above? Why are we not pivoting to that smarter response now?

The metric for response should not be anything that has proven not to be true... but politics and policy got in the way of all that.

So now we will just open back up, and everyone in government will pat themselves on the back for “flattening the curve” and “saving lives” while destroying the lives of struggling Americans over a virus that has already been here for months, has a half percent mortality rate, and the overwhelming majority of victims were old people with other health conditions.

 

[regor]

'No Evidence' Yet That Recovered COVID-19 Patients Are Immune, WHO Says

The World Health Organization warned against "immunity passports," which allow travel only to recovered patients, saying studies must first confirm whether people are indeed safe from reinfection.

www.npr.org

Says the Russia, Russia monkey!!!

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Where do I draw the line personally?

Seeing I work from home the majority of the time anyway all this means to me “Personally” is I don’t have to travel to Asia and get to spend a ton more time with my wife and kids...

You don’t want the decisions being made here to reflect what’s best for me.

The metric I would suggest would be based on medical realities of the virus. We are not far enough into this thing to even begin saying what the impacts are... Real numbers, based on accurate tests and statistically valid sample sizes and time periods. Which by the way we can’t even define yet.

It is unrealistic to think we are going to hold people in their houses for months until we can fully verify via individual testing what many studies have already concluded, and the number of dead people already tells us.

It was here for months before we were aware of it, the majority of people show none or very mild symptoms, and it mostly kills old unhealthy people.

A better approach is to spend our resources protecting the old unhealthy people.

 

[Wizard29]

Where do I draw the line personally?

Seeing I work from home the majority of the time anyway all this means to me “Personally” is I don’t have to travel to Asia and get to spend a ton more time with my wife and kids...

You don’t want the decisions being made here to reflect what’s best for me.

The metric I would suggest would be based on medical realities of the virus. We are not far enough into this thing to even begin saying what the impacts are... Real numbers, based on accurate tests and statistically valid sample sizes and time periods. Which by the way we can’t even define yet.

So just because it works for your situation means it’s okay. Got it.

My real question has to do with where you draw the line on being told what to do and the infringement on your personal rights. It’s not surprising that given your overall mentality, you didn’t pick up on the core meaning of the question. People with a mentality like yours are what is the problem with this country. Easily defeated, easily directed, and easily led right off the cliff. No backbone to stand up and push back for what’s right. Get enough people with that mentality together and control of one group by another is what happens.

It is interesting to note that regarding this whole thing, those who do not object to being told to shelter in place and having all sorts of freedoms removed are mainly Democrats. Those that are for freedom and personal choice after learning what we have about this virus so far are mainly Republicans. Why is that?

There appears to be one party with no backbone that is okay with being told what to do in light of data that indicates a minimal threat and there is one party that, after seeing the data, sees the ridiculousness in all of this and is in favor of the restoration of freedoms we all have a right to. It really is interesting to observe that and consider why that is the case and who really aligns with the values that built this country.

We are far enough into this thing to make intelligent decisions. We see that the mortality rate is far less than expected. We see there are certain groups more affected than others. Time to proceed accordingly and that does not mean having the government keep their boots on our necks while our economy dies.

 

[HotRod82]

The BIG PICTURE here folks is if the WHO is correct in it's assertion that there is no immunity from this virus means there can never be a vaccine. If this turns out to be the case, you may as well open everything up and let the virus kill whomever it's going to kill and get it over with because there is no stopping it.

 

[Wizard29]

The BIG PICTURE here folks is if the WHO is correct in it's assertion that there is no immunity from this virus means there can never be a vaccine. If this turns out to be the case, you may as well open everything up and let the virus kill whomever it's going to kill and get it over with because there is no stopping it.

A very valid point. If you cannot develop antibodies, then everybody will eventually get this multiple times. Kind of like colds. While you can get immunity to a certain strain of a cold, there are so many strains, we get multiple colds throughout our lifetimes. We all going to lock down for the remainder of our time on earth?

Liberals...only capable of thinking one or two steps ahead and not eight or ten steps ahead like they should.

 

[squeezer]

So I call out that my situation is not the one we should be making decisions around and the typical reading comprehension of a tighty righty kicks in and reverses it 180 degrees. I know you guys are used to believing exactly the opposite about what is going on but make some effort to get it right when replying...

 

[94Nautique]

So if we can agree on anything is that this is a number problem... The question I have for you is what numbers matter? What is the metric we should be looking at in judging what our reaction needs to be here?

Death rate of the entire population, since the virus is a flu for 98% of the people that get infected.

This is not like polio, where you died, or got really messed up if you got it thereby leaving a massive death and injury toll. This, it’s really bad for a relatively small number of people, and essentially harmless to the rest.

 

[94Nautique]

A very valid point. If you cannot develop antibodies, then everybody will eventually get this multiple times. Kind of like colds. While you can get immunity to a certain strain of a cold, there are so many strains, we get multiple colds throughout our lifetimes. We all going to lock down for the remainder of our time on earth?

Liberals...only capable of thinking one or two steps ahead and not eight or ten steps ahead like they should.

Flattening the curve does not decrease the number of people that get it, however it was meant to ease hospitals o we crowding. That happened, and by the looks of it NOT due to self isolation due to the massive numbers of people we are now finding out already had it.

Now, it’s a freakin power grab or a CYA. Either way, we must get back to work, we’ve got almost 30 million unemployed we have to pay for.

Ugh.

 

[94Nautique]

The BIG PICTURE here folks is if the WHO is correct in it's assertion that there is no immunity from this virus means there can never be a vaccine. If this turns out to be the case, you may as well open everything up and let the virus kill whomever it's going to kill and get it over with because there is no stopping it.

The guy that runs WHO is a Marxist, and he’s supported by China. They could say the sun rises every morning, and I’d have to check every day since they are totally full of shit.

 

[jet496]

Death rate of the entire population, since the virus is a flu for 98% of the people that get infected.

This is not like polio, where you died, or got really messed up if you got it thereby leaving a massive death and injury toll. This, it’s really bad for a relatively small number of people, and essentially harmless to the rest.

More like 99.9999% now that they realize 100 times more people have already had it.

I was going to post something on the WHO saying this. They say they don't have enough data to determine if it will immunize people but in the same breath says it should. No shit they don't have enough data, it's a brand new virus, but there's also a 99.9999% chance it will immunize people, at least partially, so why put out an alarming headline like that?

I am now reverting back to getting my info through word of mouth instead of CBS, NBC, ABC, FOX, etc.. I've deleted my shortcuts to them on my computer & it'll probably take a week or two to completely quit reading them (I quit watching news years ago).

It's all such laughable bullshit & to think half the population (Liberals) eat it up like gospel.

 

[Wizard29]

You don’t want the decisions being made here to reflect what’s best for me. oots on our necks while our economy dies.

What happened there? The pretzel machine break?

 

[RodnJen]

This is why all the whining about testing for Covid or testing for antibodies is crap. You can be tested, have negative results then come down with it three days later all the while thinking you are just fine. And again, just because you’ve had it doesn’t mean you won’t get it again.

 

[94Nautique]

This is why all the whining about testing for Covid or testing for antibodies is crap. You can be tested, have negative results then come down with it three days later all the while thinking you are just fine. And again, just because you’ve had it doesn’t mean you won’t get it again.

No kidding, like every version of the flu it mutates. Having said that how often do you get the flu each year? Not very.

The Over Reaction of 2020, followed up by the 2nd Great Depression. Both, due to man’s ignorance.

 

[F.U.IRS]

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And your ignorance trusting those who repeatedly obfuscated the truth and spread misinformation to the world.

All from a virus that has about a %.5 mortality rate at best.

Obfuscated, had to look that one up.

 

[Wizard29]

And again, just because you’ve had it doesn’t mean you won’t get it again.

How do you state that as pure fact?

I agree though that the testing to see if you have it doesn’t provide much in the way of benefits.

The antibody test is a big one though. Not only does it serve to tell us how many people have had the virus and what the real mortality rate is, it also provides people with a high likelihood they will not be infected again, at least by that particular strain.

 

[RodnJen]

How do you state that as pure fact?

I agree though that the testing to see if you have it doesn’t provide much in the way of benefits.

The antibody test is a big one though. Not only does it serve to tell us how many people have had the virus and what the real mortality rate is, it also provides people with a high likelihood they will not be infected again, at least by that particular strain.

I don’t know that it’s pure fact, but neither does anyone else.

My point is there are lots of opinions on the subject but very little known facts. Lots of people on here trying to make you focus on something to hate, or someone to blame, but very little is actually known.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I don’t know that it’s pure fact, but neither does anyone else.

My point is there are lots of opinions on the subject but very little known facts. Lots of people on here trying to make you focus on something to hate, or someone to blame, but very little is actually known.

No, just pointing out info from sources that have proven not to be credible in the very recent past are still probably not credible.

But trying to explain that to the people that believed 30+ year old uncorroborated and unsubstantiated sexual abuse allegations without question proves challenging.

 

[RodnJen]

No, just pointing out info from sources that have proven not to be credible in the very recent past are still probably not credible.

But trying to explain that to the people that believed 30+ year old uncorroborated and unsubstantiated sexual abuse allegations without question proves challenging.

 

[Wizard29]

I don’t know that it’s pure fact, but neither does anyone else.

My point is there are lots of opinions on the subject but very little known facts. Lots of people on here trying to make you focus on something to hate, or someone to blame, but very little is actually known.

We know a lot more that points in the direction of this whole thing has been a major overreaction rather than the direction that supports this level of hysteria.

We know that deaths are being recorded as Covid related that really shouldn’t be.

We know that more people have the antibodies than previously thought, which drops the mortality rate tremendously.

We know that hospitals are not overrun as expected and medical staff are in fact being laid off.

We know the virus has a higher rate of impact on particular groups and those groups are the ones we need to be protecting.

We know that antibodies can be had for every virus in the coronavirus family and a healthy immune system does not “forget” how to produce antibodies to combat a particular strain.

We know that we cannot continue to wait until we know every little thing about this virus without bringing misery and financial destruction to millions of people when a much smaller percentage are truly at risk of being mortally harmed by the virus.

We know all we need to know to make informed, common-sense decisions at this point.

 

[RodnJen]

We know a lot more that points in the direction of this whole thing has been a major overreaction rather than the direction that supports this level of hysteria.

We know that deaths are being recorded as Covid related that really shouldn’t be.

We know that more people have the antibodies than previously thought, which drops the mortality rate tremendously.

We know that hospitals are not overrun as expected and medical staff are in fact being laid off.

We know the virus has a higher rate of impact on particular groups and those groups are the ones we need to be protecting.

We know that antibodies can be had for every virus in the coronavirus family and a healthy immune system does not “forget” how to produce antibodies to combat a particular strain.

We know that we cannot continue to wait until we know every little thing about this virus without bringing misery and financial destruction to millions of people when a much smaller percentage are truly at risk of being mortally harmed by the virus.

We know all we need to know to make informed, common-sense decisions at this point.

Lots of speculation but your last two points are on target.

 

[Carlson-jet]

Squirtzy posts an article from NPR, two of the most trusted sources known to mankind right behind WHO, MSM and Demoncrats?
Nice cast Squirtzy

 

[Wizard29]

Lots of speculation but your last two points are on target.

Speculation? I don’t believe any of the bullet points I posted above are not supported by either firsthand accounts or science, are they?

 

[FreeBird236]

Speculation? I don’t believe any of the bullet points I posted above are not supported by either firsthand accounts or science, are they?

Why waste your time?

 

[just_floatin]

From Dr. Oz.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1254744977948753921

 

[94Nautique]

From Dr. Oz.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1254744977948753921

Emotion sells, stop injecting data and fact into the equation, in order to crush capitalism we must keep everyone at home.

if this episode does not fully expose the left as the LEAST scientific set of people, what will?

 

[DaveC]

This is spot on.

We know alot already and we are learning more everyday. All someone has to do is a quick search to validate all these points.

The antibody testing that is ongoing will give us a clear understanding of the true mortality rate. So far preliminary testing shows .01-02% mortality of Covid. Very similar to flu and much less than intially estimated.

Statistical sampling is the same method used by the CDC to track the flu for years and is used to forecast how many have it and determine utilization, virulence, contagiousness and mortality. In the end it will show the COVID will have very similar result and mortality as the flu.

I don't think many people know the death rate of the flu is .01% which results in 20000-60000 flu deaths per year in the US. Yet we don't shut our country down for the flu.

The numbers we are seeing now for totals is just confirmed cases which significantly understate actual totals. What is missing is those infections not caught by ACTIVE testing which will be significant. Antibody testing will show tens of millions were infected with COViD in the US

Also intiallly we were sold a 3-4% percent mortality rate. That will be shown to be at least 20-30 x overstated. Depending on what numbers are used for total infection that could have resulted in hundreds of thousands of US deaths. (or maybe millions) That is enough to scare people. But we were scared of the unknown.

What we are dealing with now is that people were scared by the worst case scenario that was sold and driven home through repetition of the MSM. For many it will take more time to overcome that fear and change their initial perception. Some may never get there.

But in the end the truth will get out which is this was no more dangerous than the flu. How long it will take to change the perceptions of most is unknown.

Equally unkown will be the reaction when the majority of people discovery they were sold a bad bill of goods and suffered economically as a result.

History will show the shut downs were unnecessary. Possibly prudent initially given the unknown nature at the time the decision was made. But moving forward with more data and keeping the shutdown in place is just criminal

We know a lot more that points in the direction of this whole thing has been a major overreaction rather than the direction that supports this level of hysteria.

We know that deaths are being recorded as Covid related that really shouldn’t be.

We know that more people have the antibodies than previously thought, which drops the mortality rate tremendously.

We know that hospitals are not overrun as expected and medical staff are in fact being laid off.

We know the virus has a higher rate of impact on particular groups and those groups are the ones we need to be protecting.

We know that antibodies can be had for every virus in the coronavirus family and a healthy immune system does not “forget” how to produce antibodies to combat a particular strain.

We know that we cannot continue to wait until we know every little thing about this virus without bringing misery and financial destruction to millions of people when a much smaller percentage are truly at risk of being mortally harmed by the virus.

We know all we need to know to make informed, common-sense decisions at this point.

 

[94Nautique]

This is spot on.

We know alot already and we are learning more everyday. All someone has to do is a quick search to validate all these points.

The antibody testing that is ongoing will give us a clear understanding of the true mortality rate. So far preliminary testing shows .01-02% mortality of Covid. Very similar to flu and much less than intially estimated.

Statistical sampling is the same method used by the CDC to track the flu for years and is used to forecast how many have it and determine utilization, virulence, contagiousness and mortality. In the end it will show the COVID will have very similar result and mortality as the flu.

I don't think many people know the death rate of the flu is .01% which results in 20000-60000 flu deaths per year in the US.

The numbers we are seeing now for totals is just confirmed cases which significantly understate actual totals. What is missing is those infections not caught by ACTIVE testing which will be significant. Antibody testing will show tens of millions were infected with COViD in the US

Also intiallly we were sold a 3-4% percent mortality rate. That will be shown to be at least 20-30 x overstated. Depending on what numbers are used for total infection that could have resulted in hundreds of thousands of US deaths. (or maybe millions) That is enough to scare people.

What we are dealing with now is that people were scared by the worst case scenario that was sold and driven home through repetition of the MSM. For many it will take more time to overcome that fear and change their initial perception. Some may never get there.

But in the end the truth will get out which is this was no more dangerous than the flu. How long it will take to change the perceptions of most is unknown.

Equally unkown will be the reaction when the majority of people discovery they were sold a bad bill of goods and suffered economically as a result.

Torches, pitchforks and a few gallows may help politicians realize they sold us a bill of goods, and they screwed the pooch...

 

[Wizard29]

Why waste your time?

Yeah, I know. I guess it’s just frustrating that there are so many stupid sheep out there who don’t dig a little deeper to find the real facts. They would rather hide and be okay with their freedoms being taken away over nothing. Most frustrating is we all pay the price for the perspectives and desires of the whiny few.

 

[DaveC]

You know what other argument I hate? "well some older Americans might die from this you know."

A typical knee jerk bleeding heart response.

Yes we know older Americans are disproportionately affected by this. They are also disproportionately affected and die in the same exact manner with the flu. They are also disproportionaetly affected by other diseases as well. It is always unfortunate.

But we don't shut down our economy as a result.

Come on is that the best they got?

 

[FreeBird236]

Yeah, I know. I guess it’s just frustrating that there are so many stupid sheep out there who don’t dig a little deeper to find the real facts. They would rather hide and be okay with their freedoms being taken away over nothing. Most frustrating is we all pay the price for the perspectives and desires of the whiny few.

Yeah, I still try once in a while, then I take a break, then I try again, then I take a break