WELCOME TO RIVER DAVES PLACE

Herbst Gaming- got this in my email

digger

Well-Known Member
Joined
Sep 25, 2007
Messages
773
Reaction score
40
>> CASINO COMPANIES: Herbst Gaming Faces Hurdles
>>
>> Filings Suggest Company Must Restructure Debt Payments or Face Bankruptcy
>>
>> April 2, 2008 < The off-Strip Terrible's is shown Tuesday. In a filings
>> with
>> regulators, Herbst Gaming, the hotel-casino's owner, said its Southern
>> Nevada operations have been negatively affected by failing economic
>> conditions, a statewide ban on smoking in taverns and restaurants, and
>> competition from American Indian casinos in Southern California.
>>
>> Casino operator and slot machine route manager Herbst Gaming may be
>> forced
>> to file for bankruptcy protection unless the company can reorganize a
>> payment structure for its more than $1.146 billion debt, according to
>> documents filed with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.
>>
>> The Las Vegas-based company said its Southern Nevada operations have been
>> negatively affected by failing economic conditions, a statewide ban on
>> smoking in taverns and restaurants, and competition from American Indian
>> casinos in Southern California.
>>
>> Herbst Gaming operates 16 casinos in Southern and Northern Nevada,
>> including
>> the three Primm resorts along Interstate 15 at the California-Nevada
>> border,
>> 35 miles south of Las Vegas, and the off-Strip Terrible's on East
>> Flamingo
>> Road. The company also owns three casinos in Missouri and Iowa and
>> operates
>> approximately 7,200 slot machines through its Nevada route operation.
>>
>> The company is privately held by brothers Ed, Tim and Troy Herbst, but
>> roughly $800 million of its debt is through publicly traded bonds.
>>
>> In its Form 10-K annual report filed late Monday with the SEC, Herbst
>> Gaming
>> said the poor financial results the company experienced during the second
>> half of 2007 have carried over into the first few months of 2008.
>>
>> Herbst's overall revenues were $849.2 million in 2007, almost 43 percent
>> higher than 2006, because the company spent $543 million to acquire two
>> major casino companies, almost doubling the size of its casino holdings.
>>
>> However, a 20 percent loss in revenues from its slot route business,
>> coupled
>> with a doubling of the company's costs, expenses and interest payments,
>> sent
>> Herbst Gaming to a net loss of $127.2 million last year.
>>
>> In February, Herbst hired Wall Street investment house Goldman Sachs to
>> evaluate strategic alternatives for the company, which could include
>> anything from a debt recapitalization to a sale of some of its
>> businesses.
>>
>> According to an independent audit of the company's finances by Deloitte &
>> Touche, Herbst Gaming has "going concern" qualification, which is a
>> default
>> under its credit agreement with its bond holders. The company plans to
>> discuss the matter soon with its bond holders to try and restructure the
>> debt.
>>
>> "We and our advisers are actively working toward such a transaction that
>> would address the decline in our operating results and our capital
>> structure, including our outstanding indebtedness," the company said in
>> the
>> filing.
>>
>> If Herbst Gaming cannot complete a refinancing or restructuring, the
>> company
>> may be required to seek protection under Chapter 11 of the U.S.
>> Bankruptcy
>> Code.
>>
>> Herbst Gaming general counsel Sean Higgins declined comment Tuesday,
>> saying
>> the 10-K filing would speak for the company. Herbst Gaming is not
>> planning
>> to hold a conference call to discuss its 2007 year-end and fourth-quarter
>> earnings.
>>
>> Gaming Control Board Chairman Dennis Neilander said casinos operated by
>> Herbst Gaming would be placed on a different status than other licensees
>> because of the company's financial warnings. Additional audits of the
>> finances and bankrolls at each location will be conducted.
>>
>> Neilander said the control board became aware of Herbst's financial
>> issues
>> as they mounted over the last six months.
>>
>> "This is not a new scenario for us," Neilander said, saying the Aladdin
>> on
>> the Strip and Fitzgeralds in Reno were the last casinos to operate under
>> bankruptcy protection. "It's tough because they were hit by so many
>> factors
>> at the same time. At this point, technically, this is the process we have
>> to
>> take."
>>
>> An investment source with knowledge of the situation said Herbst Gaming
>> wants to resolve the matter without filing for bankruptcy. The source
>> said
>> banks that control about $320 million of Herbst's debt are pushing for
>> some
>> sort of resolution. The source said the bank debt is currently worth
>> about
>> 70 cents on the dollar while the bond debt is worth about 14 cents on the
>> dollar.
>> Several sources said Herbst's downfall began with last April's $394
>> million
>> purchase of the three Primm casinos from MGM Mirage.
>>
>> "They overpaid, pure and simple," said a gaming source who asked not to
>> be
>> named.
>>
>> In January 2007, Herbst paid $149 million to acquire five Northern Nevada
>> casinos, including the Sands Regency in Reno.
>>
>> During Nevada licensing hearings in March 2007, Herbst executives
>> admitted
>> cash flow at the Primm casinos had fallen from $75 million in 2000 to
>> about
>> $30 million in 2003 because of Indian gaming competition. Executives told
>> regulators they were confident they could win back lost business. A year
>> later, it hasn't happened.
>>
>> Sources confirmed that Primm executive Michael Puggi, who had been
>> operating
>> the resorts for MGM Mirage and was retained by Herbst, was recently let
>> go.
>> In the 10-K, the company said the Primm casinos continue to lose business
>> to
>> the expanding California Indian casinos in Riverside County and San
>> Bernardino County.
>>
>> "The Primm casinos derive a significant amount of their business from the
>> Inland Empire region of Southern California, the economies of which have
>> been negatively impacted due to a number of factors, including the
>> subprime
>> mortgage crisis and higher gasoline costs," Herbst Gaming stated.
>> In its slot machine route operation, Herbst blamed a voter-enacted
>> statewide
>> ban on smoking in places that serve food with sending its tavern and
>> restaurant customers to traditional casinos if they want to smoke and
>> gamble. The ban started in January 2007.
>>
>> Not only have revenues in the route operation fallen, $276.9 million in
>> 2007
>> compared with $347. million in 2006, but cash flow from the division was
>> off
>> more than 56 percent, $32.8 million in 2007 compared with $75.5 million
>> in
>> 2006.
>>
>> Herbst Gaming said it has renegotiated several lease agreements and has
>> decreased its annual rent payments by approximately $20 million.
>>
>> "However, if we are not able to offset decreased patron play, or patron
>> play
>> continues to decrease, there may be a material adverse effect on our
>> business, financial condition and results of operations," the company
>> stated. "The success of our route operations is dependent on our ability
>> to
>> renew our contracts."
 

RiverDave

In it to win it
Joined
Sep 13, 2007
Messages
126,076
Reaction score
164,057
Well that sucks.. Hopefully it all works out for them.

RD
 

Cole Trickle

Member
Joined
Sep 25, 2007
Messages
23,649
Reaction score
16,305
sucks...

I was surprised when they bought the stateline casinos. I never understood the glamor of saving the extra 30 minutes drive to get to Vegas.

State line is like Vegas lite.....:confused:
 

RiverDave

In it to win it
Joined
Sep 13, 2007
Messages
126,076
Reaction score
164,057
sucks...

I was surprised when they bought the stateline casinos. I never understood the glamor of saving the extra 30 minutes drive to get to Vegas.

State line is like Vegas lite.....:confused:

Less filling.. LOL

RD
 

Cole Trickle

Member
Joined
Sep 25, 2007
Messages
23,649
Reaction score
16,305
Less filling.. LOL

RD

exactly....:beer

Honestly I like playing cards as much as the next guy in vegas but the indian casinos do nothing for me either. If I can't drink for free 24hours a day while throwing away my hard earned $$ I'm not going:swear:D

On a side note I wish I could live the Terrible life style while loosing 150+ million in a year..lol:hmm:eek:
 

TPC

Wrenching Dad
Joined
Sep 20, 2007
Messages
31,370
Reaction score
24,667
sucks...

I was surprised when they bought the stateline casinos. I never understood the glamor of saving the extra 30 minutes drive to get to Vegas.

State line is like Vegas lite.....:confused:

Bufflo Bills had a pretty good Buffett.
After a few days on the dunes, a roller coaster ride, some video poker, and a buffet was always a good run for us and thousands of other duners.

Since Terribles bought it the quality & selection of the food nose dived.
Same sticky crap they serve at their Parump casino ,, any reason they can use to close the Coaster is now the norm, it's rarely open,, in addition to other Terribles changes pushed Stateline right off our travel itinerary.
 

GET SOME

Well-Known Member
Joined
Oct 2, 2007
Messages
2,045
Reaction score
388
Who knows if it is really true.. They just bought Nicolas Cages old house in Newport beach just because there old house did not have enought room for the there boat www.showboats.com/Articles/Features/Terribly-Terrific.aspat.

And i know for a fact that this boat is still down in Cabo until hurricane season then it goes to alaska
 

GET SOME

Well-Known Member
Joined
Oct 2, 2007
Messages
2,045
Reaction score
388
Dont forget there entire baja offroad team and there 100,000 square foot shop for there toys.:) Must be nice.. I am just jealous
 

PVHCA

Well-Known Member
Joined
Dec 19, 2007
Messages
9,806
Reaction score
3,025
Stateline has always been a toilet especially now since they took it over. Went last year for a night way too many Asian grumpy dealers, steakhouse at Whiskey's sucked and the rooms were filthy, other than that it was great. like reported earlier they overpaid for Stateline. All their customers are bus turn arounds who think $5 per hand is big money. I'm sure their personal exposure is minimal. All their real money makers are owned by POPS, so I'm sure their days of livin large are not in jeapordy!!
 

KING BEE

Well-Known Member
Joined
Dec 22, 2007
Messages
111
Reaction score
0
Who knows if it is really true.. They just bought Nicolas Cages old house in Newport beach just because there old house did not have enought room for the there boat www.showboats.com/Articles/Features/Terribly-Terrific.aspat.

And i know for a fact that this boat is still down in Cabo until hurricane season then it goes to alaska
To start, Jerry Herbst, not Ed, Tim or Troy bought Cages house in Newport Beach. As well the boats you refer to are owned by Jerry. Read the article closely, you will note that Jerry's name is mentioned nowhere! Herbst gaming is owned by the brothers, not Jerry. No mention of Herbst Oil, which is owned by Jerry having issues. Get the facts correct before making statements that are inaccurate. I hope the brothers can work through the issues that they currently face in the gaming industry!!!Great people there. KB:smackhead
 

EmpirE231

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jan 10, 2008
Messages
4,819
Reaction score
9,942
I'm sure they bought state line primarily for the offroad racing scene, which they play a BIG part of.
 

Magic34

Well-Known Member
Joined
Oct 4, 2007
Messages
750
Reaction score
183
They have palyed it pretty good. They keep all their cash and use outside investors to fund the projects. It is very rare that they use their own money for a project or property. They still have all their cash.

They are a good family. Business is in the shit right now everywhere. The market in Vegas just sucks. They will get it restructured and everything will be fine. I heard about this last week and the concerns are low.
 

ShockwaveBobSquarePants

Well-Known Member
Joined
Dec 19, 2007
Messages
1,722
Reaction score
108
They have palyed it pretty good. They keep all their cash and use outside investors to fund the projects. It is very rare that they use their own money for a project or property. They still have all their cash.

They are a good family. Business is in the shit right now everywhere. The market in Vegas just sucks. They will get it restructured and everything will be fine. I heard about this last week and the concerns are low.

I would guess concerns run in the low to very low when you're using other people's money.
 

where's my keyes ?

Well-Known Member
Joined
Oct 19, 2007
Messages
509
Reaction score
0
herbst gaming is just one of the many business's owned by the 3 brothers and their pop .... not to mention all of the $$$ tied up in the multipe commercial and residential properties they own ..... they have got some top notch bean counters and lawyers working on this, they'll get all of this straightened out -- bankruptcy is not always a "bad" thing :hmm -- :cool:
 

DaveC

Car-boat motors
Joined
Sep 25, 2007
Messages
11,177
Reaction score
6,351
come on guys. I'd assume most of you already knew that threatening Chapter 11 is just another term for "hey lets re-negotiate our contract"...:D
 

TPC

Wrenching Dad
Joined
Sep 20, 2007
Messages
31,370
Reaction score
24,667
Strong talk of Terribles and a few other teams skipping Baja over corruption and theft in Mezzico.
Off roading is a huge industry down there.
A guy we know that works for Terribles Off road team and pulls a monthly check says he's not going back.
 

Racey

Maxwell Smart-Ass
Joined
Sep 18, 2007
Messages
22,161
Reaction score
49,886
Please click one of the Quick Reply icons in the posts above to activate Quick Reply.

^Nice, just lost my post.
Newspapers love to sensationalize the hell out of stories, don't get me wrong they are down on profits no doubt, but they are smart guys, and i'm sure they have some of the best financial people around figuring out what their best course of action is. I know i'm not the only person on the boards here that know Jerry and the boys personally, they are great guys, and they're gonna be around for the long haul. Whether or not that means cutting back on disposable spending (Boats, Racing, Etc) well only time will tell the answer to that. :beer
 

TITTIES AND BEER

Honorary RDP Inmate #160 Emeritus - R.I.P. Mark 😢
Joined
Sep 28, 2007
Messages
13,705
Reaction score
13,734
never like to see anyone fail,never liked stateline always stop at goldstrike
 
Top