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Engineers up failure risk for dam protecting Disneyland, dozens of Orange County cities

Federal engineers are raising alarms that a “significant flood event” could compromise the spillway of Southern California’s aging Prado Dam and potentially inundate dozens of Orange County communities from Disneyland to Newport Beach.

After conducting an assessment of the 78-year-old structure earlier this month, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers announced that it was raising the dam’s risk category from “moderate” to “high urgency.”

“Our concern right now is about the concrete slab of the spillway and how well it will perform if water were to spill over the top of the dam,” said Lillian Doherty, the Army Corps’ division chief. “We will determine whether or not it is as reliable as it should be.”


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Located beside the 91 Freeway on the border of Riverside and Orange counties, the dam impounds little to no water for much of the year. During periods of heavy rain, however, the structure is intended to collect water and prevent flooding along the Santa Ana River.

An $880-million effort to increase storage capacity for floodwaters and sediment at Prado Dam has been underway since 2002. It includes raising the spillway crest by 20 feet to an elevation of 563 feet, replacing outlet systems, increasing the reservoir area, building new dikes and improving the wetlands behind the dam and the downstream channel for flood control purposes, as well as for habitat and possible recreational opportunities.

Despite a development boom in neighboring Chino, Corona, Norco and Eastvale, the 2,150 acres of wetlands behind the dam comprise a labyrinth of channels, ponds and forests that are havens for threatened and federally endangered species including red-sided garter snakes and least Bell’s vireos.

In the meantime, the Prado and Whittier Narrows dams continue to be fully functional and operable during storm events, said Dena O’Dell, a spokeswoman for the agency.

“Corps staff is routinely on site at Prado Dam to operate and monitor the dam during rain events,” she said. “The Corps’ assessment of the dam doesn’t mean that failure is taking place; it means the agency has identified performance concerns that require attention to meet the corps’ rigorous dam safety standards.”

But some researchers doubt the overall safety of aging federal flood control systems that were not designed with climate change in mind.

They argue that in a warming world, regions such as California will experience more whiplashing shifts between extremely dry and wet periods. These cycles, they say, will seriously challenge California’s ability to control flooding, as well as store and transport water.

“A troubling theme is emerging as the Corps reviews its portfolio of large flood control systems that were built a long time ago and are now showing signs of severe stress,” said Daniel Swain, a UCLA climate scientist. “Federal engineers are finding that these systems are not as resilient as they thought they were, and that the frequency of what were regarded as once-in-a-lifetime storms is increasing significantly.”

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-prado-dam-flood-risk-failure-20190516-story.html
 

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An 880 million dollar effort to increase capacity that's been going on for 17 years...

Hoover Dam was built in 5 years, start to finish...and they estimate the dollar figure to be the equivalent of 660 million.

Blame it on global warming, we want more money... 17 years, and still only getting worse?
 

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The liberals have been trying everything in their power to remove the American flag and that "100 years of freedom" from the side of that dam, which has never been needed to hold back any water. Now, they are using scare tactics, making everyone believe the dam is gunna collapse! If that's not scary enough, they are even saying Disneyland, which is 20 miles away, and not downstream, is going to be completely destroyed. Really!?
 

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Yet they have a big huge dam (3 oaks ) up in highland , that was built 25 years ago. That was built for flood control on the Santa ana River. To prevent this .
That dam does not store water , just a small pond . They built this dam not to store water . they are afraid if they store water. Which would be a lake probably the size as castaic. Might fail
if they had a big earthquake. ?

yes things are this ridiculous .
 

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Yet they have a big huge dam (3 oaks ) up in highland , that was built 25 years ago. That was built for flood control on the Santa ana River. To prevent this .
That dam does not store water , just a small pond . They built this dam not to store water . they are afraid if they store water. Which would be a lake probably the size as castaic. Might fail
if they had a big earthquake. ?

yes things are this ridiculous .
Exactly, it's a damn flood basin and in close to the 80 years it's been there NOT ONE FUCKING TIME has water passed over the spillway! Socal doesn't know how to store water, they only know how to steal it and let it run out to the ocean.
 

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If water ever got to the elevation of the spillway there would be way bigger problems. If I recall correctly was it 2009 or 2010 when Euclid was under 20' of water and the buildings at the archery range were completely under water? I can't imagine the damage if water got to spillway elevation nor do I see a rain storm ever generating that much water.
 

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Sounds like they better get on it then, in flood stricken So cal. :)

I mean, you know, while our huge rain events are gone for the season.

Brian

Located beside the 91 Freeway on the border of Riverside and Orange counties, the dam impounds little to no water for much of the year. During periods of heavy rain, however, the structure is intended to collect water and prevent flooding along the Santa Ana River.
 

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Yet they have a big huge dam (3 oaks ) up in highland , that was built 25 years ago. That was built for flood control on the Santa ana River. To prevent this .
That dam does not store water , just a small pond . They built this dam not to store water . they are afraid if they store water. Which would be a lake probably the size as castaic. Might fail
if they had a big earthquake. ?

yes things are this ridiculous .

It’s seven oaks

http://www.sbsun.com/water-to-be-released-from-seven-oaks-dam-dangerous-flows-possible
 

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Do they still have the submarine ride at Disneyland? Always loved that as a kid.
 

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The santa ana river has been a major pain in the ass for everyone who has ever settled orange county. There was major flooding in the mid 1800s that essentially turned what is now orange county into a lake. Almost the entire county was under water.

Prado damn was built following the 1934 and 1938 floods. During these floods the cities of anaheim and orange were 4 feet under water and essentially destroyed the citrus industry that was thriving at the time.

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Since the construction of prado damn there has only been one major flood in 1969 and that was mainly regulated to the santiago creek with damage occurring in tustin and orange. The seven oaks damn was built to prevent this from occuring again.

The river is a shadow of its former self in both size and power but after this winter i have to imagine that without prado damn everything from yorba linda to newport would have flooded. The farm land that occupied most of the land between prado and the ocean is gone replaced with miles of urban sprawl. A damn failure at prado would be catastrophic.
 

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Yet they have a big huge dam (3 oaks ) up in highland , that was built 25 years ago. That was built for flood control on the Santa ana River. To prevent this .
That dam does not store water , just a small pond . They built this dam not to store water . they are afraid if they store water. Which would be a lake probably the size as castaic. Might fail
if they had a big earthquake. ?

yes things are this ridiculous .

thanks . :)
 

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Doubt the water ever gets high enough to worry about it
 

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In 1980, there was a season of rain where the water from Prado backed up so far inland that Hamner Avenue in Norco was under a foot of water.

Corona Airport has repeatedly flooded - in fact, the flooded airport was the genesis of the infamous Frank H olbert thread in 2010.

Last week they started releasing water from the Seven Oaks Dam, and this week there's a dire dam prediction for Prado? Hmmmm...

A year ago in Kauai, it rained 50" in 24-hours. Sure, Kauai is home to the wettest spot in the world, but 50" of rain in a 24-hour period was the most rainfall ever recorded in US history.

Drive down Euclid and Mountain the dairy areas of Chino, below Edison. When it rains, you quickly understand why the curbs down there are 18" high. Runoff turns the streets into small raging rivers.

Runoff from the Pomona Valley, Chino Valley, and the Santa Ana dumps into Prado.

My point is, 100/200 year floods exist, and I don't think the Corps is crying wolf at all.
 

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In 1980, there was a season of rain where the water from Prado backed up so far inland that Hamner Avenue in Norco was under a foot of water.

Corona Airport has repeatedly flooded - in fact, the flooded airport was the genesis of the infamous Frank H olbert thread in 2010.

Last week they started releasing water from the Seven Oaks Dam, and this week there's a dire dam prediction for Prado? Hmmmm...

A year ago in Kauai, it rained 50" in 24-hours. Sure, Kauai is home to the wettest spot in the world, but 50" of rain in a 24-hour period was the most rainfall ever recorded in US history.

Drive down Euclid and Mountain the dairy areas of Chino, below Edison. When it rains, you quickly understand why the curbs down there are 18" high. Runoff turns the streets into small raging rivers.

Runoff from the Pomona Valley, Chino Valley, and the Santa Ana dumps into Prado.

My point is, 100/200 year floods exist, and I don't think the Corps is crying wolf at all.
Yes, in the event of such conditions the dam may fail. If there is an earthquake, the damn may fail. If there are prolonged drought conditions, the water ways leading to the basin will become overgrown or filled with dead vegetation...or homeless crap....

880 MILLION DOLLARS

To repair an aging damn originally built to save crops, now homes. To dig the hole deeper in the basin. To piss away money for 17 years. What was their end game? Build an F'n arc when the flood happens? Now, I would bet dollars to donuts their funding is running out. Now, they need scare tactics to get dumbasses to cry for federal funding. The state won't have the funds, but illegals have insurance, and "spotted-owl-field-mice-spiders" have nice trees to live in. I need a middle finger emoji...
 

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Grove & Merrill in February. That whole square area of farms was under a foot of water.
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late 70's early 80's.. I was helping stock pile sand bags on the Santa Ana river jetty in HB at Victoria street.... the water was about 5' for the top.....

shit happens quickly...
 
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