First time I towed an airplane at the lake...

[SHOCKtheMONKEY]

last week at Mohave. Two guys, one getting trained. They shut the motor off and couldn't restart for awhile. Towed them back to the crapper the first time and then to a beach. They thought it was vapor locked. We gave 'em some drinks and snacks while they waited for it to cool down and it finally fired up about three or four hours later and they did a fly by of our houseboat which all the kids really enjoyed.

Another cool day on the water :champagne:

 

[RiverDave]

Pretty cool story.

 

[McRib]

Is the guy in the last pic peein on the plane??

 

[River911]

Very cool of you :thumbsup

But no fucking way I'm flying in that thing after a 3-4hr wait for it to "cool down" cause it might be vapor lock LOL :skull

 

[ultra26shadow]

I never even knew mohave had a floating shitter...

 

[TBI]

Did they try a different prop?

 

[TBI]

Is the guy in the last pic peein on the plane??

He's trying to compression start it

 

[WTMFA]

Very cool of you :thumbsup

But no fucking way I'm flying in that thing after a 3-4hr wait for it to "cool down" cause it might be vapor lock LOL :skull

C'mon.......wheres your sense of adventure

 

[underpressure]

That's a first, cool story! I also would be very "apprehensive" (scared to death) about flying away after that....

 

[Chipster27]

Kids would have probably enjoyed a tow from the plane in a kite tube :thumbsup

 

[River911]

C'mon.......wheres your sense of adventure

I think we can make it...yeah, just tie wrap the fuel line to the hood hinge and move it away from the exhaust.

Since we're gonna be 7500' in the air, use 2 tie wraps for safety

 

[WTMFA]

I think we can make it...yeah, just tie wrap the fuel line to the hood hinge and move it away from the exhaust.

Since we're gonna be 7500' in the air, use 2 tie wraps for safety

Just follow the river home and we'll be fine.......LMFAO

 

[Ziggy]

Are life vests required if landing on the lake?:headscratch:
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When you towed them did you get them on plane?

 

[djunkie]

Stories like this aren't helping me make my flying lesson reservation.

 

[River911]

Stories like this aren't helping me make my flying lesson reservation.

Truth be told, if I was gonna have mechanical problems, I'd rather be in a slow stall plane vs a 737 any day of the week

 

[TBI]

Can you vapor lock on a treadmill?

 

[HALLETT BOY]

:thumbsup:thumbsup

Truth be told, if I was gonna have mechanical problems, I'd rather be in a slow stall plane vs a 737 any day of the week

 

[River911]

Can you vapor lock on a treadmill?

Brown vapor locks in the shitter everytime he eats Chinese

 

[28Eliminator]

I never even knew mohave had a floating shitter...

First boat ride every morning when camping

 

[TBI]

Pretty cool story.

One you can relate to?

 

[Mini Kat]

It would have been more fun if i was towing them!

 

[rivermobster]

Now theres something you dont see everyday!

 

[Wheeler]

It would have been more fun if i was towing them!

Wasn't it you that towed the blue Spectra at the tube float?

 

[JUAN VONWERNER]

PLANES THAT VAPOR LOCK??!! THATS PRETTY FUCKIN SCARY

 

[River911]

PLANES THAT VAPOR LOCK??!! THATS PRETTY FUCKIN SCARY

Carb ice is much more common

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[Paul65k]

Truth be told this is very common with the Lycoming IO540 in that airplane (lake 250 or turbo). The issue is not the airplane running but the hot start procedure for an airplane with systems that were designed in the late 50's and early 60's.

The starting procedure looks like something designed by Rube Goldberg.....lean the engine mixture to engine cutoff and run the fuel pump for 30 seconds, then with the mixture in cut-off position and throttle at 1/2 to 3/4 you crank the engine until it catches, then you release the starter (left hand side of panel) and you go through a crazy routine of increasing the mixture while trying to retard the throttle so it won't redline the engine, all the while reaching over the yoke with your left hand....because this is a 2 handed operation, OR...................you let the engine cool down, which can take up to 3 hours in hot weather and do a normal start, which does not require the same "cockpit" gymnastics". (That's what the book says to do......believe it or not)

An old guy showed me many years ago how to do it much easier even though Lycoming does not have this written down in any book.....you simply put the throttle to full, prime the engine with the electric boost pump, retard the throttle to idle and start the engine normally bringing up the throttle when it starts to catch......easy peasey!!!


BTW.......now that I think about it that "Old" guy was about the age I am now all those years ago when he told me that, maybe he wasn't that old after all

In any case it sounds like the instructor not to mention the student didn't really know their way around that airplane all that well.....at least mechanically!!

Cheers!

 

[Sleek-Jet]

Truth be told this is very common with the Lycoming IO540 in that airplane (lake 250 or turbo). The issue is not the airplane running but the hot start procedure for an airplane with systems that were designed in the late 50's and early 60's.

The starting procedure looks like something designed by Rube Goldberg.....lean the engine mixture to engine cutoff and run the fuel pump for 30 seconds, then with the mixture in cut-off position and throttle at 1/2 to 3/4 you crank the engine until it catches, then you release the starter (left hand side of panel) and you go through a crazy routine of increasing the mixture while trying to retard the throttle so it won't redline the engine, all the while reaching over the yoke with your left hand....because this is a 2 handed operation, OR...................you let the engine cool down, which can take up to 3 hours in hot weather and do a normal start, which does not require the same "cockpit" gymnastics". (That's what the book says to do......believe it or not)

An old guy showed me many years ago how to do it much easier even though Lycoming does not have this written down in any book.....you simply put the throttle to full, prime the engine with the electric boost pump, retard the throttle to idle and start the engine normally bringing up the throttle when it starts to catch......easy peasey!!!


BTW.......now that I think about it that "Old" guy was about the age I am now all those years ago when he told me that, maybe he wasn't that old after all

In any case it sounds like the instructor not to mention the student didn't really know their way around that airplane all that well.....at least mechanically!!

Cheers!

Geeze... you make it sound worse that it is.

First, that's a Buckeneer so it could have either an O-360 or an IO-360, but I can't read the N number to do a search so see which one.

But for the sake of argurment let's say it's in IO-360... the trick with starting a hot, fuel injected Lycoming is to flood it with the boost pump, then crank it with the mixture an Idle Cut-off. The engine draws air in and when the mixture gets right it'll light right off. Move the mixture towards rich and if it coughs and starts to die pull it back to ICO. If it's to rich the engine will smooth out, if it's to lean it'll just die and you start over from a known condition (to lean to run).

The problem with doing it like the "old timmer" is the way the Bendix fuel injection is metered. You can really flood it and then you are back to the chinese fire drill of throttle WFO, mixture ICO and then the hand dance keeping it going.

 

[Ziggy]

I'd prefer just turning the key on and it starting......you guys sound like you're trying to start an old Triumph

 

[Flyinbowtie]

That is something you don't see every day for sure.
Cool, but I too am gonna question jumping in that thing...Instructor ought to know how to get it fired up, fer crying out loud...

 

[TBI]

Instructor ought to know how to get it fired up, fer crying out loud...

Or at the very least, how to change a prop :thumbsup

 

[Sleek-Jet]

I'd prefer just turning the key on and it starting......you guys sound like you're trying to start an old Triumph

Old Triumphs have more modern technology...

 

[coolchange]

I'd prefer just turning the key on and it starting......you guys sound like you're trying to start an old Triumph

HEY! My old Triumph still starts first kick! Just turn fuel on, wait a few seconds, hold tickler down until you see fuel, count to three. Hold throttle wide open for a few seconds, return to half, pull compression release... oh hell I guess you're right.

 

[LV R SCHIADA'S]

funny, a few years back one of those went up in flames on the river, the guys on jet skis tried like hell to douse the flames....she still burned...

 

[AZKC]

Can you vapor lock on a treadmill?

:thumbsup I Get It

 

[SHOCKtheMONKEY]

actually one of the guys indicated they just got it a few months ago so they were still tring to figure out all of its idiosyncrasies. I did see the manual sitting on the front seat.

The plane was from Bullhead, maybe somebody knows them???

 

[Paul65k]

Geeze... you make it sound worse that it is.


The problem with doing it like the "old timmer" is the way the Bendix fuel injection is metered. You can really flood it and then you are back to the chinese fire drill of throttle WFO, mixture ICO and then the hand dance keeping it going.

Truth be told I have not had an issue in over 20 years with any of my planes.....but you have to hit the fuel for like 2 secs max....never flooded and starts like a champ every time!!

Actually you are right and that works too......wow this is starting to sound like a Cessna Pilots/Piper Owners/Beech Owners thread.......I'll go back to boating content now:grumble::grumble:

 

[Mini Kat]

Wasn't it you that towed the blue Spectra at the tube float?

And that was the most fun part of that float.:thumbsup:thumbsup:rotflmao:

 

[Sleek-Jet]

Truth be told I have not had an issue in over 20 years with any of my planes.....but you have to hit the fuel for like 2 secs max....never flooded and starts like a champ every time!!

Actually you are right and that works too......wow this is starting to sound like a Cessna Pilots/Piper Owners/Beech Owners thread.......I'll go back to boating content now:grumble::grumble:

LOL... I was thinking the same thing. At least we didn't get into LOP operations. :skull :champagne:

Hey... anyone have bikini picks or something?

 

[SHOCKtheMONKEY]

Paul65k -

pretty interesting to read the hot start procedure.

My thought was it was flooded by seeing all the black stains on top of the fuselage under the exhaust. There were several stains which looked like something dripped (fuel?) and brought a bunch of black crap from the exhaust with it. The exhaust was a short tube, just like a smaller version of something you'd see on a turbo boat...

 

[WTMFA]

actually one of the guys indicated they just got it a few months ago so they were still tring to figure out all of its idiosyncrasies. I did see the manual sitting on the front seat.

The plane was from Bullhead, maybe somebody will read about them in an FAA accident report someday???

Fixed it for ya

 

[LV R SCHIADA'S]

Yeah, just what we want to see due to inexperience, another GA Fatality !!