Eliminator 25 Speedster / 400 - 91 mph!!

[RiverDave]

I am really impressed that the boat pulled 91 mph with a single 400! I went down to take a look at it today, as the owner was taking delivery!

It is pretty windy right now (and freezing), they are going to go run it but unless they run around to the south side of the island I wouldn’t expect any huge numbers today (pretty rough)

 

[82daytona]

I saw it today too. It looked amazing!

 

[Duramax]

Great job Eliminator

 

[Swain]

Wonder why they didn't go with the 450?

 

[satellitemike]

91MPH is pretty impressive! Sounds like a solid low 80's boat when loaded and the heat of summer.
Any one got an extra 150K laying around???

 

[RiverDave]

Wonder why they didn't go with the 450?

Owners choice I’m sure?

 

[n2otoofast4u]

Wonder why they didn't go with the 450?

much more expensive for not much more MPH would be my guess.

 

[JB in so cal]

New Magic?!

 

[JB in so cal]

New Magic?!

edit. Never mind C.F. numbers...

 

[HCP3]

edit. Never mind C.F. numbers...

And single-step.

 

[77 SLEEK]

1/2 Capped looks amazing. Nice job!!

 

[hallett21]

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[RiverDave]

I saw it today too. It looked amazing!

wheredid you see it at Erick?

 

[sirbob]

Nice boat for sure - congrats to new owner.

Serious question on the speed. I see lots of boats that are 25-27ft cats that run HO8.2s (which is a little more HP than this boat) and they don't come anywhere near 90+mph. How can this boat do it? Is this a super light lay up? does the weight difference of the power plants make that much difference? New bottom?

Most other boats with stock merc HOs (similar sized cats) are hitting 72-75 downhill with the wind at their backs... and this one turned 91 with 40+ less HP???

 

[82daytona]

wheredid you see it at Erick?

On the 40

 

[RiverDave]

Nice boat for sure - congrats to new owner.

Serious question on the speed. I see lots of boats that are 25-27ft cats that run HO8.2s (which is a little more HP than this boat) and they don't come anywhere near 90+mph. How can this boat do it? Is this a super light lay up? does the weight difference of the power plants make that much difference? New bottom?

Most other boats with stock merc HOs (similar sized cats) are hitting 72-75 downhill with the wind at their backs... and this one turned 91 with 40+ less HP???

Light weight and the jackplate with a cleaver improves efficiency greatly.

 

[Icky]

Nice boat for sure - congrats to new owner.

Serious question on the speed. I see lots of boats that are 25-27ft cats that run HO8.2s (which is a little more HP than this boat) and they don't come anywhere near 90+mph. How can this boat do it? Is this a super light lay up? does the weight difference of the power plants make that much difference? New bottom?

Most other boats with stock merc HOs (similar sized cats) are hitting 72-75 downhill with the wind at their backs... and this one turned 91 with 40+ less HP???

I've always been curious about this as well

 

[HCP3]

Nice boat for sure - congrats to new owner.

Serious question on the speed. I see lots of boats that are 25-27ft cats that run HO8.2s (which is a little more HP than this boat) and they don't come anywhere near 90+mph. How can this boat do it? Is this a super light lay up? does the weight difference of the power plants make that much difference? New bottom?

Most other boats with stock merc HOs (similar sized cats) are hitting 72-75 downhill with the wind at their backs... and this one turned 91 with 40+ less HP???

Carbon kevlar layup, but same bottom as the twin-step 25' Daytonas.

 

[Gelcoater]

Nice boat for sure - congrats to new owner.

Serious question on the speed. I see lots of boats that are 25-27ft cats that run HO8.2s (which is a little more HP than this boat) and they don't come anywhere near 90+mph. How can this boat do it? Is this a super light lay up? does the weight difference of the power plants make that much difference? New bottom?

Most other boats with stock merc HOs (similar sized cats) are hitting 72-75 downhill with the wind at their backs... and this one turned 91 with 40+ less HP???

I can tell you there was no light layup on this unit, it has all the bells and whistles any other would have.
And it is the same bottom as the 25 Daytona of yesteryear.
As to why it’s so fast vs an HO-I/O package I’m no expert.
I’d suspect it’s a little lighter as far as engine weight/rigging. And it’s placed far aft, changinging the C/G.
The outboard also has several hundred RPM advantage on the HO.
The outboard is a much more efficient package on a displacement/Horsepower ratio. I’d imagine in a weight to hp ratio also.

 

[RCDave]

Nice boat for sure - congrats to new owner.

Serious question on the speed. I see lots of boats that are 25-27ft cats that run HO8.2s (which is a little more HP than this boat) and they don't come anywhere near 90+mph. How can this boat do it? Is this a super light lay up? does the weight difference of the power plants make that much difference? New bottom?

Most other boats with stock merc HOs (similar sized cats) are hitting 72-75 downhill with the wind at their backs... and this one turned 91 with 40+ less HP???

Outboards on a jack plate facilitate perfect propshaft height and angle. The engine packages are also substantially lighter. And setback allows for clean water for the prop to run in and less drag.

Plus these aren't converted car engines. They are specifically designed for boats!

 

[77charger]

Pretty impressive for a single if asked to guess a speed i would have said about 73.
Should have had a guess the speed challenge

 

[Flying_Lavey]

Light weight and the jackplate with a cleaver improves efficiency greatly.

I can tell you there was no light layup on this unit, it has all the bells and whistles any other would have.
And it is the same bottom as the 25 Daytona of yesteryear.
As to why it’s so fast vs an HO-I/O package I’m no expert.
I’d suspect it’s a little lighter as far as engine weight/rigging. And it’s placed far aft, changinging the C/G.
The outboard also has several hundred RPM advantage on the HO.
The outboard is a much more efficient package on a displacement/Horsepower ratio. I’d imagine in a weight to hp ratio also.

Both of these. The 8.2 is typically in a surface piercing application at best where as the outboard is ran in a surface drive orientation which is much more efficient for top end.

Also, moving the CG back in a tunnel makes a HUGE difference. The IO engine weight is about the same as the entire outboard but the location of that weight is drastically further back which will help carry the nose better, more naturally and reduce the amount of trim required to "fly" the boat.

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[DWC]

Both of these. The 8.2 is typically in a surface piercing application at best where as the outboard is ran in a surface drive orientation which is much more efficient for top end.

Also, moving the CG back in a tunnel makes a HUGE difference. The IO engine weight is about the same as the entire outboard but the location of that weight is drastically further back which will help carry the nose better, more naturally and reduce the amount of trim required to "fly" the boat.

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So it’s not magic OB fairy dust?

 

[RiverDave]

So it’s not magic OB fairy dust?

Well the cleaver adds 8-10 mph.

 

[hallett21]

Being able to bury the motor for take off and bring it up for top end really does help.

Not to mention you can really pivot the boat’s CG with an outboard.

Badass boat! My guess is 82-85 all day long with crew and coolers in summer. Hope it’s more


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[lake p.a.l.]

I truly hope this works out great for the new owner!!
This is a fantastic all around size & 90+ mph is plenty fast in my opinion. I hope by burying the prop on takeoff the lower units will hold up. Will be interesting to see what Merc Racing says about all of this.
My 25 i/o Daytona hopped from 60-70mph. I would think this new 25 outboard would be significantly different & hopefully much better.
Congrats to new owner on awesome new boat.

 

[Jonas Grumby]

Well the cleaver adds 8-10 mph.

Agree, but, July full of fuel and beer, she will be a beast to roll over.

 

[pixrthis]

Impressive numbers out of a single engine deal. For the jack plate being such a nice piece I’d think they could do better with the positioning sending unit.

 

[lake p.a.l.]

Agree, but, July full of fuel and beer, she will be a beast to roll over.

Prop selection for heat/load/driving intentions/etc will be very interesting.
I absolutely LOVE the idea of a single outboard on a mid-size boat. Hope it works perfectly

 

[Turnup]

Gawd that graphic..

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Nice boat for sure - congrats to new owner.

Serious question on the speed. I see lots of boats that are 25-27ft cats that run HO8.2s (which is a little more HP than this boat) and they don't come anywhere near 90+mph. How can this boat do it? Is this a super light lay up? does the weight difference of the power plants make that much difference? New bottom?

Most other boats with stock merc HOs (similar sized cats) are hitting 72-75 downhill with the wind at their backs... and this one turned 91 with 40+ less HP???

A 4 stroke outboard seems to be worth an extra 120-150 HP compared to to an I/O.

Meaning to run around 90 in this boat with an I/O you’d need a 540 or 565.

 

[Duramax]

I mentioned on IG that this boat was begging for twins, the new 300's to be exact. The owner got kind of upset I think and told me to come find him when my boat came out of the 70's?? Haha!!! I meant absolutely no offense by my statement, as I think it is a fantastic boat, I just thought it would be even more cool with twins.

Great job again for all involved. Love the colors.

 

[HydroSkreamin]

Agree, but, July full of fuel and beer, she will be a beast to roll over.

I’m going to agree and disagree with this.

My 23 runs just fine with a single and a Cleaver. That number was accomplished on a 96° day with big humidity. I switched the Cleaver out to a Max5 and did a 100 mile river trip. The Cleavers are hard to plane, even with a jackplate, but the through-hubs are just fine and lose 4-6. Much better for pleasure use, no problems planing with 4 adults, cooler, and 60 gallons of fuel.

I asked Jake about the weight of the 255 and it’s within 200 of my old sled, but the 255 has a stepped bottom and mine doesn’t.

This boat would be over 100 with a 450R, and you lose the argument about getting back into the boat with twin swim steps and no tie bar. I think this is going to be about as affordable as performance boating is going to get. The caveat is you have to be satisfied with the bragging number. It’ll do everything else great.

Care and feeding of a single is half as well. Depending on prop, I get 3.5-4 mpg@60, and 3+@85. Fuel is the cheapest part of my boating.

 

[WhatExit?]

Bad ass boat and performance. Glad I'm not the first to say those graphics are awful. A kid with crayons could have done something similar. Maybe he did

 

[Blackmagic94]

The better questions is



What speed does a single 300R do


What speed does a single 450r do

 

[HCP3]

I can tell you there was no light layup on this unit, it has all the bells and whistles any other would have.

Interesting. Eliminator says it is "ultra light".

 

[Gelcoater]

Interesting. Eliminator says it is "ultra light".

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Lots of them are carbon Kevlar.
I didn’t see any sort of flex or movement when a 200lb Guy was up on deck.
There’s been a couple other boats I couldn’t say that about.

If I was building one to go fast?
It would be a one color boat. Gelcoat has weight it wouldn’t have a front/rear cap. That adds weight too.

It wouldn’t have a stereo or transom mounted remotes for said stereo, seats would be non production light stuff, no extras, no frills. It would be light layup.
This one has a stereo, production seats, capped, and a lam schedule that’s not far away from any other 25, etc.

 

[Outdrive1]

What an awesome set up. Turn key, fuel efficient. 5 years of warranty. 90mph plus. Makes a single, stock I/O really unattractive.

Whats MSRP?


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[Gelcoater]

Bad ass boat and performance. Glad I'm not the first to say those graphics are awful. A kid with crayons could have done something similar. Maybe he did

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Customer choice.
Part of me agrees.
**Disclaimer... I had nothing to do with this one, unfortunately I was out with a swollen knee***
Another part of me digs this graphic because it’s unlike most of the boats rolling out of any builder currently.
To me it has a bit of a nostalgic vibe, and reminds me a bit of the Warlocks built back in Toms reign.

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I’m going to agree and disagree with this.

My 23 runs just fine with a single and a Cleaver. That number was accomplished on a 96° day with big humidity. I switched the Cleaver out to a Max5 and did a 100 mile river trip. The Cleavers are hard to plane, even with a jackplate, but the through-hubs are just fine and lose 4-6. Much better for pleasure use, no problems planing with 4 adults, cooler, and 60 gallons of fuel.

I asked Jake about the weight of the 255 and it’s within 200 of my old sled, but the 255 has a stepped bottom and mine doesn’t.

This boat would be over 100 with a 450R, and you lose the argument about getting back into the boat with twin swim steps and no tie bar. I think this is going to be about as affordable as performance boating is going to get. The caveat is you have to be satisfied with the bragging number. It’ll do everything else great.

Care and feeding of a single is half as well. Depending on prop, I get 3.5-4 mpg@60, and 3+@85. Fuel is the cheapest part of my boating.

I’d love to lay down a graphic similar to this on a new 25, but so far can’t talk Jake into it.
I’ve even laid out some tape on the mold to get a feel of it, and lends itself well to some nostalgic graphic elements.
Someone please go for it

 

[Duramax]

Lots of them are carbon Kevlar.
I didn’t see any sort of flex or movement when a 200lb Guy was up on deck.
There’s been a couple other boats I couldn’t say that about.

If I was building one to go fast?
It would be a one color boat. Gelcoat has weight it wouldn’t have a front/rear cap. That adds weight too.

It wouldn’t have a stereo or transom mounted remotes for said stereo, seats would be non production light stuff, no extras, no frills. It would be light layup.
This one has a stereo, production seats, capped, and a lam schedule that’s not far away from any other 25, etc.

Eliminator has a "lightweight interior" option?

 

[hallett21]

What an awesome set up. Turn key, fuel efficient. 5 years of warranty. 90mph plus. Makes a single, stock I/O really unattractive.

Whats MSRP?


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Now I want to see what a walk through with a 450 would do.



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[n2otoofast4u]

Lots of them are carbon Kevlar.
I didn’t see any sort of flex or movement when a 200lb Guy was up on deck.
There’s been a couple other boats I couldn’t say that about.

If I was building one to go fast?
It would be a one color boat. Gelcoat has weight it wouldn’t have a front/rear cap. That adds weight too.

It wouldn’t have a stereo or transom mounted remotes for said stereo, seats would be non production light stuff, no extras, no frills. It would be light layup.
This one has a stereo, production seats, capped, and a lam schedule that’s not far away from any other 25, etc.

I tried to build one exactly like what you are talking about with Jake a year ago. I want a race boat with a back seat. I spec'd Kevlar with vacuum, all white, no stereo, no cap, vinyl seats with only back and white, one screen on drivers side, no ski locker, no softs in bow, etc..... A VERY stripped down, VERY basic build, with twin OB power.

Here is my conclusion.... They aren't going to make any money building boats like that. The offered deducts for no stereo, one color, no cap, etc. were VERY small. I don't blame Jake for not wanting to sending stripper models out the door, but it sure seems like you could build them fast. Even if the margin is less, I would think the volume would make up for it. That all said, they have a business model to stick to, and I understand.

 

[RiverDave]

I tried to build one exactly like what you are talking about with Jake a year ago. I want a race boat with a back seat. I spec'd Kevlar with vacuum, all white, no stereo, no cap, vinyl seats with only back and white, one screen on drivers side, no ski locker, no softs in bow, etc..... A VERY stripped down, VERY basic build, with twin OB power.

Here is my conclusion.... They aren't going to make any money building boats like that. The offered deducts for no stereo, one color, no cap, etc. were VERY small. I don't blame Jake for not wanting to sending stripper models out the door, but it sure seems like you could build them fast. Even if the margin is less, I would think the volume would make up for it. That all said, they have a business model to stick to, and I understand.

This post has me scratching my head.. ???

 

[n2otoofast4u]

This post has me scratching my head.. ???

I'm listening....

I guess I should have ended with why I didn't do it.

When it was all done, I was going to be paying very close to the same price as a boat that had 4 colors in the gel, half capped, with stereo, etc. I am concerned with resale down the road. Most people want all the fancy stuff, so why would they pay top dollar for my stripped down junk.

 

[Gelcoater]

Eliminator has a "lightweight interior" option?

Like I said, “If I” was building one to go fast.
I believe one customer I can think of has supplied lightweight front buckets on his build.
Some of them are getting coosa board (sp?) constructed bench and buckets now. It’s slightly lighter than wood, and won’t rot.

 

[Gelcoater]

people want all the fancy stuff, so why would they pay top dollar for my stripped down junk.

For the same reason you did. To go faster
I can’t inagine a vinyl wrap weighing much? Would be a handy option and relatively easy to completely change the look.

 

[JUSTWANNARACE]

I'm listening....

I guess I should have ended with why I didn't do it.

When it was all done, I was going to be paying very close to the same price as a boat that had 4 colors in the gel, half capped, with stereo, etc. I am concerned with resale down the road. Most people want all the fancy stuff, so why would they pay top dollar for my stripped down junk.

Nobody wants to see you strip down to your junk

 

[Groper]

I tried to build one exactly like what you are talking about with Jake a year ago. I want a race boat with a back seat. I spec'd Kevlar with vacuum, all white, no stereo, no cap, vinyl seats with only back and white, one screen on drivers side, no ski locker, no softs in bow, etc..... A VERY stripped down, VERY basic build, with twin OB power.

Here is my conclusion.... They aren't going to make any money building boats like that. The offered deducts for no stereo, one color, no cap, etc. were VERY small. I don't blame Jake for not wanting to sending stripper models out the door, but it sure seems like you could build them fast. Even if the margin is less, I would think the volume would make up for it. That all said, they have a business model to stick to, and I understand.

I kind of surprised they didn't build you what you wanted just a bare hull on a trailer but like other builders they only sell turn key boats.

 

[Gelcoater]

I kind of surprised they did build you what you wanted just a bare hull on a trailer but like other builders they only sell turn key boats.

I don’t believe they’ll do that any longer? With perhaps the exception of a race boat, think 19 Daytona.
Build blanks for the buyer to rig And the potential liability issues.
Example and purely made up.

Some guy bolts in 1500hp home brewed engine, rail kit, sets his own x dimension etc, into his new bare hull.
He runs it up to 1xx mph and something let’s go. The boat hits a family in a pontoon boat and people are killed.
Who do you suppose gets sued?
I won’t speak for Jake but I sure wouldn’t do it.

 

[n2otoofast4u]

I kind of surprised they didn't build you what you wanted just a bare hull on a trailer but like other builders they only sell turn key boats.

I wanted turn key, and they would have built it, but it didn't make sense to pay full price for what I wanted, so I passed. I am in no way bashing Eliminator.