Dredging the channel

[PlanB]

You guys talking about 2' wakes and barreling through the channel are exaggerating a bit. As much as you guys may hate it, it is something we really can't do without living over here in The Landing. Most of us keep car on the AZ side and Ferry over there often for groceries, going out to dinner and whatever other shopping we have to do. Without it we are driving at least an hour up to Fort Mohave for those needs. I took it over today and spent money at 3 different locations over there. I took the opportunity to snap a couple pics of the humongous wake it throws out. Some on the way in from the shore then 1 off the back of the boat when leaving.
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That is right in front of their dock when they are slowing to make a 180 turn. The wake that ripped my boat off the beach was breaking just like behind a wake boat. You could have jumped off the back with a surfboard and followed the damn boat in. You really want to see a wake, go down near the north end of the channel at night when they think nobody is around.

 

[DRYHEAT]

Move the entire operation to SITE SIX / Plenty of Room for Parking & Deeper water for the Tonage !
This will also eliminate possible liability for LHC & CRIT in the CHANNEL .....

Hey now! Don’t go fucking up the best launch ramp in the city! Us poor people got a launch somewhere.

 

[F.U.IRS]

That is right in front of their dock when they are slowing to make a 180 turn. The wake that ripped my boat off the beach was breaking just like behind a wake boat. You could have jumped off the back with a surfboard and followed the damn boat in. You really want to see a wake, go down near the north end of the channel at night when they think nobody is around.

They were going the same speed from the time I could see them enter the channel. I wasn't going to run all the way down there past the condos to get a picture. I guess the best way to prove you're right would for you or anyone else to post up a picture of the ferry putting out a 2' wake while in rhe channel

 

[Tank]

Tank,
Nothing but respect for you Tank. You got more miles backing a Cigarette down ramps into Florida,Ventura,Oxnard waters than most of us have towing. Doubt a few ripples in Lake Havasu bother you guys.

Havasu Landing been our full time home for 15 years. I run my business in So Cal remote,very seldom leave here. Many people around here think my wife single. LoL. I keep to myself,guess that why never a minute problem with the tribe, many good friends around this community.

No. Actually the wake doesn’t bother me at all. Actually in the big scheme of things I don’t really care about it period. There is a little bit of WTF when I see that behemoth rolling through. I can’t believe they actually ok’d something that big. And then there’s the way the capt. rolls through at twice the speed everyone else is going. A hair entitled. That’s all that raises an eye brow for me.

I think the ferry is a fantastic idea. Matter of fact if there wasn’t one I’d be the first to be like, wtf?! They should have a ferry! And it never seemed to be an issue before when it wasn’t so freakin big. Shit I don’t even have a problem with the Laughlin jet boat because I think ferries are so cool and that thing throws the largest wake I’ve ever seen on the lake / river. Every time it goes up or down river and our boat is at the dock in needles I cringe a bit.

Anyway, like I said, it’s not a huge deal really in the big scheme of things. Just something that can be discussed for sure. But it is what it is. I’m only here for the discussion.

 

[PlanB]

They were going the same speed from the time I could see them enter the channel. I wasn't going to run all the way down there past the condos to get a picture. I guess the best way to prove you're right would for you or anyone else to post up a picture of the ferry putting out a 2' wake while in rhe channel

I have no reason to lie or exaggerate about the wake Tecopa puts out. You took a pic of them almost in front of their dock where they are stopping to spin the boat 180 degrees. Walk down to the north end of the channel and see how fast they are traveling when coming into the mouth. I was standing in front of my boat on the sand holding my bow and the waves hit me in the thighs. Believe it, don't believe it...

I just reread your post. Next time you are on the boat take a video off of the stern when they enter the no wake zone. It definitely won't look like the pics you posted.

I have no problem with the ferry. I do have a problem with the captain going well over no wake speed and not giving a shit.

 

[RVR SWPR]

They were going the same speed from the time I could see them enter the channel. I wasn't going to run all the way down there past the condos to get a picture. I guess the best way to prove you're right would for you or anyone else to post up a picture of the ferry putting out a 2' wake while in rhe channel

As Tecopa approaches Havasu Landing there is a buoy line well before harbor entrance. Never noticed Tecopa not slowing at the buoy line or reaching cruise speeds @departures until past buoy.
Buoy line for Tecopa only at entrance to channel should be considered. On the other hand might be buoy there now. LOL, Like said 15 years at landing. Never been on the Tecopa or Dream Catcher. Wife uses Tecopa occasionally and enjoys it.

 

[Paradox]

Yep, unfortunately, I’ve been pushed a bit by the ferry. It really does seem too big for the channel.

That said, more than once have we had a great time taking it over. Especially at night.

 

[River Runnin]

Solve the problem! When the Tecopa breaks the channel entrance make sure there are a coupe boats there to escort it in at wake speed! -- (that's 5mph) -- They'd get the picture!

 

[MissHavasuCig]

I think everyone can agree the ferry is very handy!

The arguments are that its size (displacement) and disrespect for the no wake zone on the AZ side are causing problems for other boaters as well as the shoreline.

That boat constantly breaks a wake! The boat is a bully and has no hesitation to intimidate smaller boats out of the way - from rookies to people like @Tank. We were cruising through late at night in the dark and Tecopa came up on our stern and flipped on ALL of their floodlights because we were going too slow - we were going no wake speed, in the Dark!

Have you ever been on the shoreline of the north end of the Chanel when Tecopa goes through? The surge is incredible! Definitely pulling sand off the shoreline. Go figure - the Isles just had to dredge their beach. Kingsview has lost most of their beach. Windsor invested in new white sand. And the vacant land across from Windsor keeps eroding back…

Bottom line … if Tecopa was RESPECTFUL to other boaters and ADHERED to the No Wake law in the Chanel from the bouy line, people wouldn’t be upset. Again - it’s a very handy ferry to have bridging the communities.

 

[River Runnin]

I think everyone can agree the ferry is very handy!

The arguments are that its size (displacement) and disrespect for the no wake zone on the AZ side are causing problems for other boaters as well as the shoreline.

That boat constantly breaks a wake! The boat is a bully and has no hesitation to intimidate smaller boats out of the way - from rookies to people like @Tank. We were cruising through late at night in the dark and Tecopa came up on our stern and flipped on ALL of their floodlights because we were going too slow - we were going no wake speed, in the Dark!

Have you ever been on the shoreline of the north end of the Chanel when Tecopa goes through? The surge is incredible! Definitely pulling sand off the shoreline. Go figure - the Isles just had to dredge their beach. Kingsview has lost most of their beach. Windsor invested in new white sand. And the vacant land across from Windsor keeps eroding back…

Bottom line … if Tecopa was RESPECTFUL to other boaters and ADHERED to the No Wake law in the Chanel from the bouy line, people wouldn’t be upset. Again - it’s a very handy ferry to have bridging the communities.

Bully or not! the Captain would likely loose the license and get a big lawsuit if he/they rammed a boat! And likely shut down the whole operation!

 

[Ace in the Hole]

Bully or not! the Captain would likely loose the license and get a big lawsuit if he/they rammed a boat! And likely shut down the whole operation!

I'm sure there is some tribal sovereignty or bullshit like that they can shield themselves from any liability.

There is one "cool" captain that seems to actually give a shit...guy has a beard and always waves to us. Theres another that at dusk seems to relish in trying to fuck up every single boat that is on the beach as they come into the channel with his wake.... They don't give a shit, they know the city can't do dick, and thats why it is a mute point.

 

[havasujeeper]

Speaking of...what ever happened to the large sign on the north entrance of the channel saying 36' boats or larger were prohibited from the channel? Was it removed?

 

[River Runnin]

tribal sovereignty or bullshit like that they can shield themselves from any liability.

So you're saying the channel is tribal land! .. And they don't have to adhere to maritime Law?

 

[Ace in the Hole]

So you're saying the channel is tribal land! .. And they don't have to adhere to maritime Law?

Nope...but I would be shocked if they don't have some kind of shielded liability being isolated, and having a ferry partially funded by the feds which accesses things they don't have on their side...schools, medical etc.. It's never ever going to get shut down. People have been bitching about it for years...its not going to change.

 

[Rondog4405]

Hopefully dredging the no wake zone going up river is next on thier list .. not holding my breath though

 

[Ace in the Hole]

Hopefully dredging the no wake zone going up river is next on thier list .. not holding my breath though

I always wondered what happened to that deal...it filled up pretty quick

 

[Rondog4405]

I always wondered what happened to that deal...it filled up pretty quick

Could probably ride a skim board across it nowadays..

 

[Bobby V]

Hopefully dredging the no wake zone going up river is next on thier list .. not holding my breath though

Pretty sure the LH Yacht Club paid for it last time.
Edit: LHMA

 

[PlanB]

Pretty sure the LH Yacht Club paid for it last time.

I think it was the lake Havasu Marine Association.

 

[Bobby V]

I think it was the lake Havasu Marine Association.

Yes. I think you are right.

 

[02HoWaRd26]

And whether you have 1 or 20 boats in front of you, that boat’s captain will get so damned close to you side or rear that you truly have no choice but to move completely out of their way even if it puts you in a head on situation.

 

[QC22]

Where do you guys expect her to go? If she stops she has no steerage. If she turns, she's aground.

I know there are some Tecopa captains that are more respectful than others, but... a vessel limited in her draft has priority over smaller vessels in a narrow channel.

(a) A vessel proceeding along the course of a narrow channel or fairway shall keep as near to the outer limit of the channel or fairway, which lies on her starboard side, as is safe and practicable.

(b) A vessel of less than 20 meters in length or a sailing vessel shall not impede the passage of a vessel that can safely navigate only within a narrow channel or fairway.

So basically, if you're less than 65 ft, you need to move as far to starboard as possible in the Channel.

 

[PlanB]

^^^ run through the north end of the channel with a depth gauge and you will see there is not much room to move in either direction without risking a prop strike. I have seen Tecopa traveling below wake speed plenty of times with no issues so it's not that they can't safely do it.

 

[JayBreww]

Hopefully dredging the no wake zone going up river is next on thier list .. not holding my breath though

Floating Dredge, yea.
But I don’t see them getting a long arm bucket out there like we see is actually happening in the channel.

 

[OCMerrill]

Bout time!

I’m sure that stupid ass casino boat doesn’t help anything. I hate that Fuckin thing.

The so called Captains that run that thing are super freaking aggressive.

Its like dealing with an Oil Platform runner out of Long Beach.

 

[was thatguy]

My boat is smaller than everyone’s in this thread.
He doesn’t bother me.
What I do is stay the hell out of his way.
I’d never beach by where he turns around, and I certainly wouldn’t expect them to disrupt commerce because I found a nice spot to to sit in an insanely busy waterway.
It’s the channel, what do you expect?

 

[HNL2LHC]

It’s the channel, what do you expect?

Loud music, water cannons and pasties!!!!

 

[F.U.IRS]

I have no reason to lie or exaggerate about the wake Tecopa puts out. You took a pic of them almost in front of their dock where they are stopping to spin the boat 180 degrees. Walk down to the north end of the channel and see how fast they are traveling when coming into the mouth. I was standing in front of my boat on the sand holding my bow and the waves hit me in the thighs. Believe it, don't believe it...

I just reread your post. Next time you are on the boat take a video off of the stern when they enter the no wake zone. It definitely won't look like the pics you posted.

I have no problem with the ferry. I do have a problem with the captain going well over no wake speed and not giving a shit.

I know how fast they're traveling, I ride the freaking thing a minimum of 2 times a week. I've never been on it when I thought to myself damn they need to slow this thing down this is way too fast for the no wake zone. As far a a pic off the stern when they enter the no wake zone of course there's going to be a good size wake , it's just coming down in speed from crossing the lake. Do you expect them to shut it down 100 yards before the boys? Maybe they could just cruise at 5 mph across the entire route.

 

[was thatguy]

Loud music, water cannons and pasties!!!!

It strikes me as similar to moving under an airport flight path then complaining about airplanes.
That big bastard goes round trip every hour. We all know this, it’s not an anomaly. It’s a scheduled thing on a precise route. There is no mystery here. He’s pretty easy to avoid.

 

[HB2Havasu]

So just curious. Doesn’t the shutttle boat bring in money to the local shops from tourists and from the residents on the other side of the lake. I know a few would leave a car/truck on the City side and go shopping for things they couldn’t buy on the Landing side.

There is very little tourism coming from CRIT tourists.

 

[checkrdpast]

What do they do with the dredge material?

Id assume the silt isn’t coming from up river but sliding in from the banks of the channel over time, which dredging it would create a beach/ bank issue long term unless they leave the dredge on the beach

Last time they built up the hill along the golf course, this time don't know

 

[RVR SWPR]

NO doubt the deepest part of the channel is the area Tecopa operates in. Tecopa Prop wash acts creates turbulence. Fact is when the river was dredged several years back not actually a dredge. Method was some sort of Jet system on a boat. Seemed to work out ok for what it was.

 

[RVR SWPR]

It strikes me as similar to moving under an airport flight path then complaining about airplanes.
That big bastard goes round trip every hour. We all know this, it’s not an anomaly. It’s a scheduled thing on a precise route. There is no mystery here. He’s pretty easy to avoid.

Jetski’s line up waiting for him just about every hour Summer months.

 

[185EZ]

As Tecopa approaches Havasu Landing there is a buoy line well before harbor entrance. Never noticed Tecopa not slowing at the buoy line or reaching cruise speeds @departures until past buoy.
Buoy line for Tecopa only at entrance to channel should be considered. On the other hand might be buoy there now. LOL, Like said 15 years at landing. Never been on the Tecopa or Dream Catcher. Wife uses Tecopa occasionally and enjoys it.

Beached our toon in front of the casino and had my sand spike out.
Security comes to me and says my toon is floating off the beach
Yep, pulled my sand spike out too
They said when the Tecopa comes in the rollers will loosen boats up that are on the beach

 

[FreeBird236]

Last time they built up the hill along the golf course, this time don't know

The city says after contouring the beach, the remainder will be taken to a city owned parcel on the Island, might be the same place.

 

[RVR SWPR]

Beached our toon in front of the casino and had my sand spike out.
Security comes to me and says my toon is floating off the beach
Yep, pulled my sand spike out too
They said when the Tecopa comes in the rollers will loosen boats up that are on the beach
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Damn nice Toon. Have great Holidays.

 

[FreeBird236]

Hey now! Don’t go fucking up the best launch ramp in the city! Us poor people got a launch somewhere.

The city is in the planning stages to rehab the ramp. They indicated it the new ramp won't be as steep.

 

[DRYHEAT]

The city is in the planning stages to rehab the ramp. They indicated it the new ramp won't be as steep.

Yeah, unfortunately I am aware, they’ll probably fuck it all up.

 

[twocents]

NO doubt the deepest part of the channel is the area Tecopa operates in. Tecopa Prop wash acts creates turbulence. Fact is when the river was dredged several years back not actually a dredge. Method was some sort of Jet system on a boat. Seemed to work out ok for what it was.

The no-wake deep water channel that was created on the California side of the river mouth was privately funded by donations raised by the Lake Havasu Marine Association. It really wasn't dredging because no sediment or silt was removed. just moved around by a former Viet Nam jet drive patrol boat to form the new channel. And it wasn't anticipated that the channel would last more than three years before it filled back in and needed to be done again (and it was done a second time). Besides being very costly to do this, there was a mountain of bureaucratic red tape involved to obtain multiple government agency permits. If it hadn't been for consultant Jill Hines it would have never happened in the first place.

 

[RVR SWPR]

The no-wake deep water channel that was created on the California side of the river mouth was privately funded by donations raised by the Lake Havasu Marine Association. It really wasn't dredging because no sediment or silt was removed. just moved around by a former Viet Nam jet drive patrol boat to form the new channel. And it wasn't anticipated that the channel would last more than three years before it filled back in and needed to be done again (and it was done a second time). Besides being very costly to do this, there was a mountain of bureaucratic red tape involved to obtain multiple government agency permits. If it hadn't been for consultant Jill Hines it would have never happened in the first place.

Good Info, exact description of the method used.

 

[PlanB]

My boat is smaller than everyone’s in this thread.
He doesn’t bother me.
What I do is stay the hell out of his way.
I’d never beach by where he turns around, and I certainly wouldn’t expect them to disrupt commerce because I found a nice spot to to sit in an insanely busy waterway.
It’s the channel, what do you expect?

I was at the north end of the channel next to Windsor, not where Tecopa turns around. What do I expect in the channel? Uh, maybe go below wake speed?

 

[RVR SWPR]

This is bullshit,who knows who reads this crap regarding the crew of that boat. The crews on the Tecopa professional and qualified There is no way any captain running Tecopa @ speed in the channel.
Part of enjoying RDP for many years you gotta expect the re runs.