Cops response time

[HPBoats83]

Is there some protocal or standard? I was in a physical altercation today and it took the cops 12-15 minutes to get there and 3 phone calls before they showed up. WTF? This was in Corona BTW.

 

[shintoooo]

Cops Suck

 

[HPBoats83]

These ones weren't so bad ONCE THEY GOT THERE!

 

[Carlson-jet]

You have a few options these days if you want a fast response.

1. It looks sort of like somebody might possibly have a gun, but your not sure.
2. Claim there are 2 guys fighting, one seems to be a cop and he's getting his ass kicked.
3. A homeless person looks unsightly and it's bothering you.
4. There is a donut truck being hijacked.

Short of these suggestions, be prepared to be ignored. The police have no incentive to protect nor serve the general public.

And to add.. If you are really needing help, Call the fire Dept.

 

[Wayne Zighter]

You have a few options these days if you want a fast response.

1. It looks sort of like somebody might possibly have a gun, but your not sure.
2. Claim there are 2 guys fighting, one seems to be a cop and he's getting his ass kicked.
3. A homeless person looks unsightly and it's bothering you.
4. There is a donut truck being hijacked.

Short of these suggestions, be prepared to be ignored. The police have no incentive to protect nor serve the general public.

And to add.. If you are really needing help, Call the fire Dept.

so true :thumbsup

 

[NicPaus]

Depends on the area and department in control of it. In Torrance 2-5 min would be normal. I am a stones throw away and if LAPD showed up in under 30 min you would be lucky. Thats the $150K difference in neighborhoods around here. The nurse that takes care of my Grandma recently had a home invasion and was robbed of everything at gunpoint in her own home, they never even responded after several 911 calls. Gotta love Compton:grumble:

 

[HPBoats83]

Depends on the area and department in control of it. In Torrance 2-5 min would be normal. I am a stones throw away and if LAPD showed up in under 30 min you would be lucky. Thats the $150K difference in neighborhoods around here. The nurse that takes care of my Grandma recently had a home invasion and was robbed of everything at gunpoint in her own home, they never even responded after several 911 calls. Gotta love Compton:grumble:

Wow!

 

[HEY YOU]

not to be a dick but it sounds like you loss, cause if you won you don't wait around.

 

[hallett21]

Honestly you would probably be better off to call for paramedics/fire. In Ventura county you are guaranteed at a minimum a fire truck in I believe 8 minutes. Not sure about other cities though. However if they arrive at least they can call for police backup. The presence of flashing lights tends to help as well.

 

[HPBoats83]

not to be a dick but it sounds like you loss, cause if you won you don't wait around.

Not quite the case, the guy was a known trouble maker in our neighborhood, I was at the house with no where to go. He's in jail for a couple days.

 

[TPC]

In Los Angeles City limits, they probably won't show up at all.
Here in Simi, about 4 minutes.

 

[Ultracrazy]

You have a few options these days if you want a fast response.

1. It looks sort of like somebody might possibly have a gun, but your not sure.
2. Claim there are 2 guys fighting, one seems to be a cop and he's getting his ass kicked.
3. A homeless person looks unsightly and it's bothering you.
4. There is a donut truck being hijacked.

Short of these suggestions, be prepared to be ignored. The police have no incentive to protect nor serve the general public.

And to add.. If you are really needing help, Call the fire Dept.

Ask Pasadena PD how #1 worked out for them.

As for calling the FD, if you someone to stage until fights over, yeah go ahead call them.

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[Kylemenz1]

Unfortunately the police department are understaffed these days. When a 911 call is made it get prioritized. Although you felt you had the biggest emergency in town at the time, chances are the police department had 10 others that were actually a higher priority. Sorry you to deal with a shitty situation in your neighborhood.

 

[Dettom]

You have a few options these days if you want a fast response.

1. It looks sort of like somebody might possibly have a gun, but your not sure.
2. Claim there are 2 guys fighting, one seems to be a cop and he's getting his ass kicked.
3. A homeless person looks unsightly and it's bothering you.
4. There is a donut truck being hijacked.

Short of these suggestions, be prepared to be ignored. The police have no incentive to protect nor serve the general public.

And to add.. If you are really needing help, Call the fire Dept.

Really? No incentive? Really? I think you may be underestimating, but I've been wrong before..Every cops funeral l've attended was because they lacked incentive? Thanks for bringing this into the light...

 

[RitcheyRch]

Sad but might be some truth to this.

You have a few options these days if you want a fast response.

1. It looks sort of like somebody might possibly have a gun, but your not sure.
2. Claim there are 2 guys fighting, one seems to be a cop and he's getting his ass kicked.
3. A homeless person looks unsightly and it's bothering you.
4. There is a donut truck being hijacked.

Short of these suggestions, be prepared to be ignored. The police have no incentive to protect nor serve the general public.

And to add.. If you are really needing help, Call the fire Dept.

 

[River911]

Who won??

 

[Dettom]

Ask Pasadena PD how #1 worked out for them.

As for calling the FD, if you someone to stage until fights over, yeah go ahead call them.

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Good point on Pasadena.

 

[t&y]

You have a few options these days if you want a fast response.

1. It looks sort of like somebody might possibly have a gun, but your not sure.

My vote for the mostest stupidiest dumbestestssss post of the century:skull

And X3 on reviewing the Pasadena shooting on that one.

2. Claim there are 2 guys fighting, one seems to be a cop and he's getting his ass kicked.
3. A homeless person looks unsightly and it's bothering you.
4. There is a donut truck being hijacked.

Short of these suggestions, be prepared to be ignored. The police have no incentive to protect nor serve the general public.

Cop involved, sure might get a better response. Homeless guys, probably fighting over a rock, Donut truck, nahhhh. Now if you said a bagle truck with free coffee.... i'd send the entire shift

And to add.. If you are really needing help, Call the fire Dept.

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao Better not mention anything about a fight if you want them to roll in. I love the FF'ers out there but all the cops would be hearing over the radio is .. "is it SAFE for fire to roll in"...:thumbsup

Depends on the area and department in control of it. In Torrance 2-5 min would be normal. I am a stones throw away and if LAPD showed up in under 30 min you would be lucky. Thats the $150K difference in neighborhoods around here. The nurse that takes care of my Grandma recently had a home invasion and was robbed of everything at gunpoint in her own home, they never even responded after several 911 calls. Gotta love Compton:grumble:

Home invasion robbery, numerous calls to 911, and nobody ever showed up. I'm calling BullShit on that one. You are missing information there. I know a few Compton Deputies, and I know how the Sheriff's department operates in that area. The only way that is going to happen is if the dispatcher who answered the call over the phone literally refused to type it in.

On the slim chance that it is true, YOU NEED to go file a formal complaint. 911 calls are recorded and kept for years if not forever now. Someone will be fired over that and if they truely didn't respond to a Home Invasion Robbery someone should be.

 

[t&y]

Is there some protocal or standard? I was in a physical altercation today and it took the cops 12-15 minutes to get there and 3 phone calls before they showed up. WTF? This was in Corona BTW.

If you were involved in the fight how did you make the phone call? I take it you called either before or after right?

Generally there are three different types of calls.

Routine: Report calls, burlary reports, robbery reports, etc... that are not fresh crimes, or see the man or women about numerous disputes or questions, noise complaints.. etc....

Priority: Crmie just occurred, suspicious activity, Fresh crimes with workable info, traffic accidents, Disturbances, etc...

Emergent: Violent or serious crimes in progess, Medical emergency's, Drunk Drivers, etc....

I don't work Corona. If you called my department and told them you were just in a fight and the guy was still there you would probably see us in under 5 unless we were all stuck on some bigger crime in progress. If that were the case we would still get a unit to you it would just take longer than normal.

P.S. Hope you are all right.

 

[HPBoats83]

Who won??

He's in jail I'm at home.

Some of this is going to be making my way into the house pretty soon:
http://www.foxlabs.com/products.shtml

I am a gun guy but INCREDIBLY THANKFULL that the situation never even got close to that level. Pepper spray would have done wonders on that guy; however, due to the extremely long response time, it realy reiterates the way that I feel about them.

 

[ROC]

Ask Pasadena PD how #1 worked out for them.


As for calling the FD, if you someone to stage until fights over, yeah go ahead call them.

OK, I googled it and didn't find what you're referring to. Can you tell me what happened in Pasadena?

"Truck 442 staging.......advise when PD has all the meanie bad guys in control." LOL. We don't like messing up our hair dammit

 

[ROC]

My vote for the mostest stupidiest dumbestestssss post of the century:skull




:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao Better not mention anything about a fight if you want them to roll in. I love the FF'ers out there but all the cops would be hearing over the radio is .. "is it SAFE for fire to roll in"...:thumbsup

That's just fucked up right there. Low blow. Cheap shot. Totally uncalled for.................
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Also true.

 

[t&y]

OK, I googled it and didn't find what you're referring to. Can you tell me what happened in Pasadena?

"Truck 442 staging.......advise when PD has all the meanie bad guys in control." LOL. We don't like messing up our hair dammit

Here ya go:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lan...o-fatally-shot-unarmed-teen-back-at-work.html

And really. If I had hair as nice as most of you guys I wouldn't roll in either

 

[Phebus]

No "all clear", no go.

 

[RitcheyRch]

My sheriff buddy used to work gang homicide detail in that area, He was a very busy guy.

Home invasion robbery, numerous calls to 911, and nobody ever showed up. I'm calling BullShit on that one. You are missing information there. I know a few Compton Deputies, and I know how the Sheriff's department operates in that area. The only way that is going to happen is if the dispatcher who answered the call over the phone literally refused to type it in.

 

[TEBBY]

I think there is a bigger picture here to keep in mind...

Police services and Fire services are like insurance. Your city/municipality decides how much they want to buy each year. Meaning, they decide how many cops/fire trucks they want to have in the streets everyday. If your city is like most others these days, sub-standard staffing levels have become the norm.

The best way for you to get better service (lower response times), is for you to contact your city leaders! Tell them that you and your fellow citizens respectfully demand more cops/ firetrucks on the streets everyday.

Good luck!

 

[ROC]

I think there is a bigger picture here to keep in mind...

Police services and Fire services are like insurance. Your city/municipality decides how much they want to buy each year. Meaning, they decide how many cops/fire trucks they want to have in the streets everyday. If your city is like most others these days, sub-standard staffing levels have become the norm.

The best way for you to get better service (lower response times), is for you to contact your city leaders! Tell them that you and your fellow citizens respectfully demand more cops/ firetrucks on the streets everyday.

Good luck!

Right. And then the citizens with vote against it. Happens quite often. Budget cuts in public safety are a reality in most agencies these days.


My phone

 

[Ultracrazy]

No "all clear", no go.

Copy, 91 staging.

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[Phebus]

In the old days, we would run right into everything. Times have changed though, he'll today's firemen don't even run into fires anymore. Too many people hurt throughout the years have led to change, which is good, but sure has taken a lot of the fun out of the game.

 

[Flyinbowtie]

12-15 minutes is pretty good at my old dept. for any of the beats but the local town area, where we could ask for cover by a P.D. unit and vice-versa if their 1 or 2 units per shift were tied up and they had something shake loose.
When you have a Sgt. and 4 deputies in solo units covering 645 square miles if the beat cop is on a call, or by sheer luck happens to be on the other end of his beat you might be waiting a bit. Dept. policy dictates call priorities, and we rolled as fast as we could legally to every call.
In a urban situation it again depends on where the cops are and what they are doing. There is no excuse for slow-rolling a call and I never had to spank any of my guys for doing it.
A Sgt. only has so many chess pieces on the board, and a good one pays attention to where his people are and what they are doing...and moves the pieces when he can according to priorities established by policy. If you are not happy with the response time as to talk the the supervisor on duty at the time and get an explanation...I would if I were you.

 

[HPBoats83]

12-15 minutes is pretty good at my old dept. for any of the beats but the local town area, where we could ask for cover by a P.D. unit and vice-versa if their 1 or 2 units per shift were tied up and they had something shake loose.
When you have a Sgt. and 4 deputies in solo units covering 645 square miles if the beat cop is on a call, or by sheer luck happens to be on the other end of his beat you might be waiting a bit. Dept. policy dictates call priorities, and we rolled as fast as we could legally to every call.
In a urban situation it again depends on where the cops are and what they are doing. There is no excuse for slow-rolling a call and I never had to spank any of my guys for doing it.
A Sgt. only has so many chess pieces on the board, and a good one pays attention to where his people are and what they are doing...and moves the pieces when he can according to priorities established by policy. If you are not happy with the response time as to talk the the supervisor on duty at the time and get an explanation...I would if I were you.

I will seriously consider that, thanks for the input.

 

[NicPaus]

Home invasion robbery, numerous calls to 911, and nobody ever showed up. I'm calling BullShit on that one. You are missing information there. I know a few Compton Deputies, and I know how the Sheriff's department operates in that area. The only way that is going to happen is if the dispatcher who answered the call over the phone literally refused to type it in.

On the slim chance that it is true, YOU NEED to go file a formal complaint. 911 calls are recorded and kept for years if not forever now. Someone will be fired over that and if they truely didn't respond to a Home Invasion Robbery someone should be.[/QUOTE]


She files a report next day. Apparently obama was in town and there priority was elsewhere.


Happened to me even in torrance many many years ago. Neighbor on phone with 911 can hear shots over the phone they never showed up.

My recent one last week. Neighbor parks right in front of my driveway blocking entrance to homes I am building. Denies its there vehicle I tried to drag it out of my way with Cat but was not going to happen without damage to vehicle. Cops show up start writing ticket. When the lady realizes she is getting a ticket and hears tow truck is on the way she starts speaking spanish to the officers and tells them she forgot her car was blue and she will move it. Cop tears up ticket and says he is giving her a second chance. She keeps patting his shoulder and speaking spanish not sure what all was said. I remind him they do this on a regular basis and its going to be huge problem if they do not recieve ticket. He does not care says he has no time for it and leaves. So the next day same lady parks same spot and takes another 20 minutes to move when I ask . Could I have filed a complaint on the officer for not doing his job? Would a complaint do anything? This is right smack in the middle of the driveway they dont bother pulling up or back a few feet.

 

[t&y]

She files a report next day. Apparently obama was in town and there priority was elsewhere.

Still calling bullshit on the cops not responding to a home "Invasion Robbery". Simply wouldn't happen unless they never recieved the call. And Obama rolling through LAPD's area is probably not going to affect the normal service cars in that area of Compton.

Happened to me even in torrance many many years ago. Neighbor on phone with 911 can hear shots over the phone they never showed up.

My recent one last week. Neighbor parks right in front of my driveway blocking entrance to homes I am building. Denies its there vehicle I tried to drag it out of my way with Cat but was not going to happen without damage to vehicle. Cops show up start writing ticket. When the lady realizes she is getting a ticket and hears tow truck is on the way she starts speaking spanish to the officers and tells them she forgot her car was blue and she will move it. Cop tears up ticket and says he is giving her a second chance. She keeps patting his shoulder and speaking spanish not sure what all was said. I remind him they do this on a regular basis and its going to be huge problem if they do not recieve ticket. He does not care says he has no time for it and leaves. So the next day same lady parks same spot and takes another 20 minutes to move when I ask . Could I have filed a complaint on the officer for not doing his job? Would a complaint do anything? This is right smack in the middle of the driveway they dont bother pulling up or back a few feet.

Sure go file a complaint. Will it make the lady stop parking there, probably not. Will the cop get fanged for using his discretion for not towing a car or writting a citation for a blocked driveway when the owner is there attempting to move their car. Probably not.

You have to remember. We get called to solve ongoing drama and are expected to resolve the problem that has been building for hours if not years in a couple minutes. A blocked driveway at a construction site is not a priority. Your best solution is to call the supervisor and explain that it is not an one time thing. Unless the responding cop knows that it's really a low priorty issue.

If your interested, here is the Cali Vehicle Law that dictates when we can cite 22500 and when we can tow 22651 given the circumstances you provided.

 

[NicPaus]

Still calling bullshit on the cops not responding to a home "Invasion Robbery". Simply wouldn't happen unless they never recieved the call. And Obama rolling through LAPD's area is probably not going to affect the normal service cars in that area of Compton.




Sure go file a complaint. Will it make the lady stop parking there, probably not. Will the cop get fanged for using his discretion for not towing a car or writting a citation for a blocked driveway when the owner is there attempting to move their car. Probably not.

You have to remember. We get called to solve ongoing drama and are expected to resolve the problem that has been building for hours if not years in a couple minutes. A blocked driveway at a construction site is not a priority. Your best solution is to call the supervisor and explain that it is not an one time thing. Unless the responding cop knows that it's really a low priorty issue.

If your interested, here is the Cali Vehicle Law that dictates when we can cite 22500 and when we can tow 22651 given the circumstances you provided.

They were driving down the street and saw me yanking the car with a chain so they stopped. I would never call for something minor. The problem would be solved with a ticket. I took the law in my own hands and dumped a bucket load of dirt on the car after second incident. She has not parked back there since but I expect her gangster son to say something. Last time I watched them dump a load of trash on the jobsite and confronted them he tried to run me down in his car and then got out with a knife talking shit saying not to talk to anyone in his family to talk to him. He made it 3 steps from my property when I drew on him and gave him his options. I will keep you posted on my next encounter. Have a piece locked in toolbox of each work truck just in case. Its like a 3rd world country here in the Gateway.

 

[t&y]

They were driving down the street and saw me yanking the car with a chain so they stopped. I would never call for something minor. The problem would be solved with a ticket. I took the law in my own hands and dumped a bucket load of dirt on the car after second incident. She has not parked back there since but I expect her gangster son to say something. Last time I watched them dump a load of trash on the jobsite and confronted them he tried to run me down in his car and then got out with a knife talking shit saying not to talk to anyone in his family to talk to him. He made it 3 steps from my property when I drew on him and gave him his options. I will keep you posted on my next encounter. Have a piece locked in toolbox of each work truck just in case. Its like a 3rd world country here in the Gateway.

Perfect example of how little information a COP has when responding to the majority of calls. Sounds like you have a real POS to deal with:thumbsdown.

Make sure you clearly understand how and when you can defend yourself and do just that. Pay close attention to the specific wording related to justifiable homocide if you plan on using a gun in any fashion. Given what you said, if I were telling the story there would be an additional part about a gangster with a couple bullet holes in him by now.

 

[Kylemenz1]

In the old days, we would run right into everything. Times have changed though, he'll today's firemen don't even run into fires anymore. Too many people hurt throughout the years have led to change, which is good, but sure has taken a lot of the fun out of the game.

Hey!! Some of us still run into fires! We just wait for RIC to be in place...

 

[NicPaus]

Perfect example of how little information a COP has when responding to the majority of calls. Sounds like you have a real POS to deal with:thumbsdown.

Make sure you clearly understand how and when you can defend yourself and do just that. Pay close attention to the specific wording related to justifiable homocide if you plan on using a gun in any fashion. Given what you said, if I were telling the story there would be an additional part about a gangster with a couple bullet holes in him by now.

Piece of shit is speaking nicely. The poor landlord has to deal with this guy being rent control he cant get rid of him. He has to sick back and watch one of the nicest house on the block get destroyed and he cant do anything. I do have the building inspectors on my side in this area. Have built and rehabbed numerous homes to clean up area. Next inspection I will ignite a fire for the trash he has in the front yard. At minimum $350 fine for inspector to show up and site it.

Personally I like to keep peace and get along with the gangsters that actually run these blocks. Watched them grow up and seen one after being shot through his head on life support while his parents made the decision to donate his organs. Problem is these people put no value on life and will take yours and not have any remorse. Its the way they were raised. Wish I could afford to buy and sell in a better area but learn to adapt. Even the inspectors carry here.

 

[Phebus]

Hey!! Some of us still run into fires! We just wait for RIC to be in place...

It was good to be an old timer before the days of RIC and 2 in 2 out.

Used to be fun to fight over who could be first in with the nozzle, and then get yelled at later for going in without full turnouts and no air pack.

Oh, and let's not talk about the IC system. More chiefs concerned about setting it up, then putting out the fire. Makes for a good incident review.

 

[Phebus]

Still fun jacking a cops thread though.

 

[Carlson-jet]

So the Police shoot an unarmed guy by mistake, is that the news story of the century?

I'm not a cop hater, I grew up along time ago and realized the world does not consist of just myself or others whom can defend themselves. I'm 45, have been through alot of shit and never needed their assistance when it came down to just myself. I did call them to report a drunk driver who after about 2 more minutes wrecked. I was sent a $150 check for that call :champagne:

I Live in a small community where all response times are VERY short at 2-3 minutes most likely. Last summer I called 911 when my little girl was hit by a 27 willys overland that had been started in gear at a local car show. You lose track of time in an instance like that but I know both departments had sirens blaring before I could blurt out another few sentences. One of he officers was so shook up about a kid being hit I was actually telling him it was going to be OK and that I didn't think she was seriously injured. Both departments exceded any expectations I might have ever had down to the last detail. I'm proud of our police and fire departments around here. :thumbsup

I did live In Southern Cal. 10 yrs and I can say without a doubt I did not feel the same way out there.

Have a nice safe day.

 

[Kylemenz1]

It was good to be an old timer before the days of RIC and 2 in 2 out.

Used to be fun to fight over who could be first in with the nozzle, and then get yelled at later for going in without full turnouts and no air pack.

Oh, and let's not talk about the IC system. More chiefs concerned about setting it up, then putting out the fire. Makes for a good incident review.

I can't comment on the chief thing as I'm still a Fireman.

 

[Phebus]

I can't comment on the chief thing as I'm still a Fireman.

That's why I stayed a fireman.

Fuck chiefs.

 

[NicPaus]

That's why I stayed a fireman.

Fuck chiefs.

My Grandma always tells her stories of how other wifes Husbands did not want to be Chief. Then she mentions the money she recieves each month for his retirement.:thumbsup Its not for everyone but my Grandpa enjoyed it. You ever work LA City back in the day Phebus?

 

[Phebus]

My Grandma always tells her stories of how other wifes Husbands did not want to be Chief. Then she mentions the money she recieves each month for his retirement.:thumbsup Its not for everyone but my Grandpa enjoyed it. You ever work LA City back in the day Phebus?

No, I was in Orange County my entire career. LA City was the elite department back in the day. Unfortunately, like all departments, the budget has taken its toll.

 

[Flyinbowtie]

Tapatalk ain't my stong suit....I am going to simply say x2 to everything t&y has said....I aam a weee bit hungover this afternoon anyway

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[paradise]

I hit a pedestrian in my car a couple years back (was his fault) less than 2 miles from the CHP station. Me and the witness called it in via 911 and said the pedestrian was laying on the ground and we didn't know if he had internal injuries etc. Firetruck (no ambulance) showed up after about 5-10 minutes. CHP and sherrif were 20+ minutes after that.

This was in El Cajon, and not in a bad area at all. Luckily the kid wasn't seriously hurt or he could have died from them not showing up...

I certainly won't put any trust in them showing up if I have an issue...

 

[Zaairman]

My dad went to my great grandma's house today. She's 94 and lives by herself. Well, she wasn't there, he didn't know it, went in through the garage (she's hard of hearing and doesn't answer the door sometimes), and he sets off her alarm. Didn't know the code. He waited 20 mins for the cops to show up, they never did. Apparently they were there by the time grandma got home...an hour later. :thumbsdown

 

[supernick]

I got jumped by 5 julios in chino at the Del Taco about three years ago. Was knocked unconscious and from what i am told it took police and ambulance about 15 min to get to the scene. 5 blocks away from the police station!

 

[SydneyRaysDad]

Cops Suck

Even you had a 12 minute response time.......

 

[SydneyRaysDad]

I hit a pedestrian in my car a couple years back (was his fault) less than 2 miles from the CHP station.

I got jumped by 5 julios in chino at the Del Taco about three years ago. Was knocked unconscious and from what i am told it took police and ambulance about 15 min to get to the scene. 5 blocks away from the police station!

Just curious, do you guys REALLY believe the police sit at the staion and wait for calls ?!?!?!