Colin Powell endorsed Obama

[RitcheyRch]

Colin Powell endorsed Obama this morning.

 

[Sleeper CP]

Identity politics, what else could it be ? Like BO has more experience or a better view point than McCain. I need to hear how he explains why.

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[was thatguy]

I find this remarkably unbelievable. I have firmly believed that the first Black or Woman in the White House would be a conservative. In fact, I was sure Powell would have been a shoe in if He had decided to run years ago.
Guess I just don't know the man.

 

[Tom Brown]

Identity politics, what else could it be ?

That has to be it since Powell isn't smart enough to think for himself.

 

[Tom Brown]

Guess I just don't know the man.

Who would have known, after all those decades of serving his country honorably, he'd turn out to be a traitor?

 

[Ratso]

Racism at its finest...

 

[Sleeper CP]

That has to be it since Powell isn't smart enough to think for himself.

I didn't say that Identity politics were bad, it's not like white folk haven't been voting that way for 230 yrs :hmm

I know a few black Phd's ( my mother-in-law being one of them) I know identity politics when I see them Tom. It is what it is. Powell may have stated other reason's , but I don't think he would have supported Hilary and she is much more qualified than the jr. first term Senator from Illinois that has only spent approx 190 day's in the Senate and was a community organizer before that.

Tommy, Powell has always been more of a moderate vs a conservative.

Edit: I should add, you should have heard the discussion at my house last night, Mom and Dad and one of my brothers over for dinner. In the end my mother had to admit she's voting for him because he's black. Doesn't matter that his policies will hurt our family owned business, put a big ass target on my dad's wallet ( Top 1% of income earner) and hinder me and my brother's from becoming top 1%'ers. Doesn't matter to her, he's black and she feels it's about damn time. OKay . (Powell is in the same boat, IMO)

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[Baja Big Dog]

Fukiin piece of shit, yea race had nothing to do with it..fok him, waits until the polls are swayed to commit...

 

[Tom Brown]

I've often wondered, how ignorant would you have to be to think Colin Powell is not capable of thinking for himself. This is helping to answer that question.

Listen to yourselves. The power brokers of the Republican party could nominate Charles Manson and you drones would vote for him with great passion.

I'll tell you what, the Clinton years were a buoyant time for the United States of America. You may have disagreed with everyone of his policies, and I'm sure many RDP forum members did, but it was a good time for the country.

Bush has created huge government on unprecedented levels, he has gone out of his way to not close your borders... despite beating the terrorism drum every time he wants to have his way, and has been a significant part of a system that has created record defects. You guys need a real conservative to fix all that shit.

How about someone who will shrink government, reduce spending, be careful who gets into the country so you can be safe and not give benefits to foreigners that aren't even received by nationals, and make Iraq start to pay for some of the security they are receiving? How about that?

From my standpoint, Clinton was infinitely more conservative than Bush is. Of course, Clinton did not embrace any of the religious right doctrines such as anti-abortion, pro Christian, pro death penalty, etc., etc.

...my mother had to admit she's voting for him because he's black.

I hope you kicked her in the cunt. :swear

Doesn't matter that his policies will hurt our family owned business, put a big ass target on my dad's wallet ( Top 1% of income earner) and hinder me and my brother's from becoming top 1%'ers.

There's no question, if Obama becomes president, the glory ride of the Bush years will be over.

 

[snake321]

I hope you kicked her in the cunt. :swear



I wouldn't vote just by party. It's insulting that they think people can't chose for themselves.
My mother and her husband are big democrats(already kicked her Tom)and they don't have one original thought on the political subject. I believe we're not talking again until after thr election.......

 

[angiebaby]

I've often wondered, how ignorant would you have to be to think Colin Powell is not capable of thinking for himself. This is helping to answer that question.

Listen to yourselves. The power brokers of the Republican party could nominate Charles Manson and you drones would vote for him with great passion.

I'll tell you what, the Clinton years were a buoyant time for the United States of America. You may have disagreed with everyone of his policies, and I'm sure many RDP forum members did, but it was a good time for the country.

Bush has created huge government on unprecedented levels, he has gone out of his way to not close your borders... despite beating the terrorism drum every time he wants to have his way, and has been a significant part of a system that has created record defects. You guys need a real conservative to fix all that shit.

How about someone who will shrink government, reduce spending, be careful who gets into the country so you can be safe and not give benefits to foreigners that aren't even received by nationals, and make Iraq start to pay for some of the security they are receiving? How about that?

That's the person I voted for.

From my standpoint, Clinton was infinitely more conservative than Bush is. Of course, Clinton did not embrace any of the religious right doctrines such as anti-abortion, pro Christian, pro death penalty, etc., etc.



There's no question, if Obama becomes president, the glory ride of the Bush years will be over.

Thank you. The voice of reason.

 

[Yellowboat]

I find this remarkably unbelievable. I have firmly believed that the first Black or Woman in the White House would be a conservative. In fact, I was sure Powell would have been a shoe in if He had decided to run years ago.
Guess I just don't know the man.

this

 

[angiebaby]

What you don't understand, Tom, is that the "buoyant ride of the Clinton years" is all because of Reagan and Bush the first, and the problems Bush is having are all because of Clinton.

 

[Tom Brown]

My mother and her husband are big democrats...

Just to be clear, I think it's just as ignorant to vote Democrat because you're a Democrat, regardless of how lousy the candidate might be.

Back to Powell... it seems pretty clear to me the guy is a good soldier and will play hard for his team, he has proven his loyalty countless times over, and happens to be an American I have a huge amount of respect for. Bush hung him out to dry and it seems obvious that's why he left after his first term. If Powell were to run for president on either ticket, I'd vote for him.

To be honest, I think something very evil happened when Bush beat out McCain for the Republican party nomination in 2000. McCain could have beaten Kerry soundly and I believe he would have been a far better president than Bush has been. What's more, I believed that then.

What kind of bad shit has to happen to give Bush the Republican nomination over McCain? McCain is a fricking war hero and seems like more of a real republican than Bush from a fiscal perspective.

I used to like McCain a lot but these days he's playing his broken record about Obama associating with terrorists and spending his time bashing Obama, instead of campaigning on his merits. That conduct seems beneath him and I've lost a lot of respect for John McCain because of it. The guy has been in the senate for 20 years. Surely there is a lot of opportunity to speak to his experience and the positive influence has had on the country.

 

[Tom Brown]

What you don't understand, Tom, is that the "buoyant ride of the Clinton years" is all because of Reagan and Bush the first, and the problems Bush is having is all because of Clinton.

I don't mind Clinton now, although I didn't like him then and was hoping Bush senior would beat him. Clinton turned out to be good for the country.

Sure... it's not very appropriate to be taking blowjobs from interns and later lying about it. This sort of conduct by people of great power has been hushed since the beginning of time. That doesn't make it right, though. Also, the things he was saying about Obama during Hillary's run for the nomination were pretty low. It probably got Hillary further than a more positive campaign would have.

It's too bad the population responds so well to negative politics.

 

[Tom Brown]

It's been 15 minutes since I slammed McCain and I have not received a single death threat. ...not even a lousy infraction.

What's wrong with you people? Have you turned into a bunch of communist fags? :swear

 

[TBI]

I don't mind Clinton now, although I didn't like him then and was hoping Bush senior would beat him. Clinton turned out to be good for the country.

Sure... it's not very appropriate to be taking blowjobs from interns and later lying about it. This sort of conduct by people of great power has been hushed since the beginning of time. That doesn't make it right, though. Also, the things he was saying about Obama during Hillary's run for the nomination were pretty low. It probably got Hillary further than a more positive campaign would have.

It's too bad the population responds so well to negative politics.

Hey Pierre Thatcher why don't you mind your own business :swear

 

[Tom Brown]

Hey Pierre Thatcher why don't you mind your own business :swear

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[DirtyWhiteBoy]

It's been 15 minutes since I slammed McCain and I have not received a single death threat. ...not even a lousy infraction.

What's wrong with you people? Have you turned into a bunch of communist fags? :swear

No one listens to you Tomoint


There is not a good choice at this point, it makes me sad.

 

[Sleeper CP]

I've often wondered, how ignorant would you have to be to think Colin Powell is not capable of thinking for himself. This is helping to answer that question.

Listen to yourselves. The power brokers of the Republican party could nominate Charles Manson and you drones would vote for him with great passion.

I'll tell you what, the Clinton years were a buoyant time for the United States of America. You may have disagreed with everyone of his policies, and I'm sure many RDP forum members did, but it was a good time for the country.

Bush has created huge government on unprecedented levels, he has gone out of his way to not close your borders... despite beating the terrorism drum every time he wants to have his way, and has been a significant part of a system that has created record defects. You guys need a real conservative to fix all that shit.

Never said Powell wasn't thinking for himself.

My mother is thinking for herself I just disagree with it. But from her perspective at 71, raised in a segregated Missouri she was the first black person hired at a Kansas City downtown department store to serves both blacks and whites over the counter, is she is proud that a black man is this close to being Pres. and she is going to vote for him. But from her perspective she is still poor, will look you in the eye and say so, doesn't matter my dad just finished (about this time last year) her dream home 5,000 sq.ft on a 22.5 acre lot and it is unlike any house you have ever seen, truly unique.

From my perspective, I wouldn't vote for Teddy Kennedy and I'll be damned if I'm going to vote for someone that votes to the left of him. Many, many people ignore the fact how far left BO is and think it's "cool" or "about time" we have a black President.

I had to explain the Clinton year's to my mom last night, so I'll explain them to you too, Clinton was fortunate to have had " Dot Com" that was his economy, he didn't do anything to create it. His tax increases even retarded the economy they didn't push it. Clinton passed the buck on many a hard decision. He put his finger in the wind and moved to which ever direction the wind was blowing. News Flash....that's not leadership that's chicken shit, taking the easy way out. Oh, a guy named Newt from Georgia controlled the congress and that surplus (projected) under the Clinton year's was because of Newt not Clinton, unless you give him credit for cutting the military to shreds.

I don't disagree with the majority assessment of G.W.B btw and I voted for him twice. And yes we do need real conservatism to fix our country not a Socialist at the helm with a Reed and Pelosi congress. If you think the Republicans overspent just sit back and watch what a unbridled liberal government will do.

Hopefully I'll get back to you on a few of your other point's...just realized I need to address that "ignorant" statement... I guess a pasty white guy from Canada has a clearer perspective on why black people in the US want to vote for the black guy. I look forward to it.........

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[was thatguy]

It's been 15 minutes since I slammed McCain and I have not received a single death threat. ...not even a lousy infraction.

What's wrong with you people? Have you turned into a bunch of communist fag Canadian's? :swear

Fixed it for ya'.

 

[Tom Brown]

I had to explain the Clinton year's to my mom last night, so I'll explain them to you too, Clinton was fortunate to have had " Dot Com" that was his economy, he didn't do anything to create it.

... so business, in this case online business, flourished during the Clinton years but it had nothing to do with Clinton. I'd be OK with saying it's not all to Clinton's credit, but so many Republicans give full credit for every positive thing that's ever happened to their Republican leadership. You can't have it both ways.

You were civil and respectful but I'm gong to score your response as hostile.


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[Sleeper CP]

It's been 15 minutes since I slammed McCain and I have not received a single death threat. ...not even a lousy infraction.

What's wrong with you people? Have you turned into a bunch of communist fags? :swear

Because most of what you said is 100% correct, except for McCain being a conservative that is.

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[Sleeper CP]

... so business, in this case online business, flourished during the Clinton years but it had nothing to do with Clinton. I'd be OK with saying it's not all to Clinton's credit, but so many Republicans give full credit for every positive thing that's ever happened to their Republican leadership. You can't have it both ways.

You were civil and respectful but I'm gong to score your response as hostile.


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POS...

I'll get back to you.. got to go do somethings with the little ones.

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[Tom Brown]

Because most of what you said is 100% correct, except for McCain being a conservative that is.

McCain has a long record of fiscal conservatism. I admire him for it. I don't know why he wouldn't run that record and his fiscal policies up the flag pole as that would appeal to folks like me who look for someone who will be responsible with the economy and just generally try to not fuck everything else up. Instead, he is focused on slamming Obama. I think that's going to hurt him on election day but what the fuck do I know.

 

[Sleeper CP]

McCain has a long record of fiscal conservatism. I admire him for it. I don't know why he wouldn't run that record and his fiscal policies up the flag pole as that would appeal to folks like me who look for someone who will be responsible with the economy and just generally try to not fuck everything else up. Instead, he is focused on slamming Obama. I think that's going to hurt him on election day but what the fuck do I know.

Tom,

He has been, it just hasn't been getting traction. It can't overcome the "buzz" of Obama is cool or Obama is a fresh face. I think more and more voters over 40 see it and younger ones it's just not important to them.

McCain is hoping the character issue will hit home with a few. And he only needs a few, this race will be damn close not 6 points or larger.

Have you noticed not one media outlet is talking about drugs this year. Well I wonder why, which of the two smoked dope and did Coke when he could afford it. And I thought Clinton got a free pass from the press

Sleeper CP

Got to go....

 

[Tom Brown]

I guess a pasty white guy from Canada has a clearer perspective on why black people in the US want to vote for the black guy.

The guy I'm working with right now is one of the darkest skinned people I've ever met. He is from Nigeria. I have to shade my eyes when he smiles. Fortunately, he's also one of the coolest people I work with.

We were down for coffee the other day and the guys were busting us up about wearing the same clothes. They said something like, "Is this the new network designer's uniform?" I responded with, "Oh sure... all network designers look the same to you." Fortunately, Enyi is not touchy about racial topics and seems to enjoy joking around about it.

One day the night operators were trying to show me one of these crazy handshakes with the different grips, bumped fists, and so on. I had a hell of a time picking up on it. One of the operators said, "Tom... you're the whitest guy I know." It was not intended as a compliment. Sadly, it's true. I'm whiter than Marie Osmond.

 

[Snake]

What you don't understand, Tom, is that the "buoyant ride of the Clinton years" is all because of Reagan and Bush the first, and the problems Bush is having are all because of Clinton.

Actually that is not true. Clinton left office with moderate to good foriegn relations, money in the bank and a 79% approval rating and unemployment was down below what I believe to be 8%. I may be wrong on the 8% but it was the lowest of any president leaving office.

 

[Outdrive1]

I used to like McCain a lot but these days he's playing his broken record about Obama associating with terrorists and spending his time bashing Obama, instead of campaigning on his merits. That conduct seems beneath him and I've lost a lot of respect for John McCain because of it. The guy has been in the senate for 20 years. Surely there is a lot of opportunity to speak to his experience and the positive influence has had on the country.

You're preaching to choir Tom. This is the reason McCain will lose at this point.

Instead of a campaign based on what he can do for you, it's a campaign based on how evil Obama is.

 

[Rexone]

Tom what the hell are you doing talking about US politics? You are Canadian and white as Blue Bonnet Butter. This is a US thread. :swear

btw Obama sucks. McCain should just shut up about it at this point and drive home what he can do these last 2 weeks. The media is in Obama's pocket anyway. I think Powell knows Obama sucks but is just pissed that McCain's campaign is attacking him.

Otherwise I'm going to make an appointment in advance at the DMV to see a doctor sometime before the end of 2010.

Where the fock is Newt when you need him. :swear

 

[Guest]

Where the fock is Newt when you need him. :swear

Screwing his secretary.....

 

[Guest]

I think that's going to hurt him on election day but what the fuck do I know.

Nothing......well, maybe you know about snow.....Im considering banning you till after the election....:beer

 

[Tom Brown]

Tom what the hell are you doing talking about US politics?

Apparently, if I lived 150 miles south and had darker color skin, I would know everything there is to know about both Obama and McCain.

By the way, please don't dis Blue Bonnet butter. That shit is delicious on bacon. :thumbsup

 

[angiebaby]

Actually that is not true. Clinton left office with moderate to good foriegn relations, money in the bank and a 79% approval rating and unemployment was down below what I believe to be 8%. I may be wrong on the 8% but it was the lowest of any president leaving office.

Don't you know sarcasm when you hear . . . er . . . I mean read it? I was regurgitating what many of the comebacks I read around here are.

 

[Tom Brown]

Im considering banning you till after the election....:beer

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[Deleted Account]

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Might be time for the 'international' bolt cutters, Byron...

 

[was thatguy]

Apparently, if I lived 150 miles south and had darker color skin, I would know everything there is to know about both Obama and McCain.

Maybe, maybe not. But at least then your opinion might matter.

 

[Tom Brown]

Maybe, maybe not. But at least then your opinion might matter.

If my opinion doesn't matter, why are you responding to my post? Are you dim, or something?

 

[TPC]

We're in 2 wars that are going badly.
Our man-made, bad economy has dragged the entire world into the shitter.
Wall Street and Main Street has yet to see bad times. You ain't seen nothin' yet.

Time for some new hats to run the country.
I agree 100% with Colin Powell.

I drove through 29 Palms last nite coming home from the river.
I've been collecting the McDonalds cups and containers from my kids visits this past two months and keep them in the truck.

As I entered the 29 Palms McDonalds 2 little 10 year old girls dressed in appalling, raggity Salvation Army thrift store summer dresses asked if they could have my Monopoly game pieces (McDonalds cups and containers).
Well, I was ready for them and gave them all the McDonalds stuff I had collected from my kids too.

The little girls are daughters of deployed in Iraq Marines, and they were so gracious and appreciative.
Their dad earns less than a Wall Mart greeter, these kids live in poverty.
Sweet as sugar little kids living in shit.

My god, for christ sakes will you conservatives wake up?

I'm waiting for Brown to say:
"If Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity were queer, all republicians would be sucking cock."

I'll give Brown a X2.

The Republican administration has put a real hurt on the country and the world.
The Bush administration is a corrupt failure.

That doesn't make me a Democrat or liberal saying that.

The Republicans left the USA and the rest of the world in a hurt.

You ain't seen nothin' yet. The shitstorm is yet to arrive.

 

[Rexone]

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I can't score to save my ass around this place. :swear

Blue Bonnet sucks ass.

 

[was thatguy]

If my opinion doesn't matter, why are you responding to my post? Are you dim, or something?

My responding to your posts does not lend any validation to your opinions.
Truth? On election day in THIS country, your opinion is just that. Sorry Tom, please don't machine gun me.

As far as being dim? A smart man such as yourself knows that question can not truthfully be answered by the person being asked. I'm afraid you'll have to trust your own......opinion?:beer

 

[Sleeper CP]

I'm waiting for Brown to say:
"If Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity were queer, all republicians would be sucking cock."

I'll give Brown a X2.

The Republican administration has put a real hurt on the country and the world.
The Bush administration is a corrupt failure.

That doesn't make me a Democrat or liberal saying that.The Republicans left the us and the rest of the world in a hurt.

You ain't seen nothin' yet. The shitstorm is yet to arrive.

Actually it makes you sound like a jackass......

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[Sleeper CP]

Apparently, if I lived 150 miles south and had darker color skin, I would know everything there is to know about both Obama and McCain.
By the way, please don't dis Blue Bonnet butter. That shit is delicious on bacon. :thumbsup

Nice sigi Brown,

It occurred to me while working on the boat today that maybe, was that guys disappointment with Powells endorsement is it is incredibly hard to reconcile against his own body of works.

Mr. Powell wouldn't spend one month in a pew of the good Rev. Wrights church let alone 20+ yrs. Nor would he, as a vet spend 1 minute under the same roof with the terrorist Bill Aires (sp) 30 years ago he would have cut his heart out.

I consider Mr. Powell an American patriot and from what I know of him it's damn hard to reconcile that with him supporting Obama. Damn hard.

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[Sleeper CP]

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Where the fock is Newt when you need him. :swear

Screwing his secretary.....

It helped Clintons poll ratings.

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[Flyinbowtie]

TPC is right.
Somebody else needs to run the country.
I ain't thrilled with either choice, but I am afraid of what Obama will do.
I am not afraid of McCain.
Conservatives need to wake up and regroup.
There may be motivation for such an awakening after Obama's first term.
Powell's endorsement is not unexpected.

We are a long way from the bottom, folks.
hold tight.

 

[was thatguy]

Nice sigi Brown,

It occurred to me while working on the boat today that maybe, was that guys disappointment with Powells endorsement is it is incredibly hard to reconcile against his own body of works.

Mr. Powell wouldn't spend one month in a pew of the good Rev. Wrights church let alone 20+ yrs. Nor would he, as a vet spend 1 minute under the same roof with the terrorist Bill Aires (sp) 30 years ago he would have cut his heart out.

I consider Mr. Powell an American patriot and from what I know of him it's damn hard to reconcile that with him supporting Obama. Damn hard.

Sleeper CP

Thank You Sleeper, for finding the words that seem to escape me. :beer

 

[Sleeper CP]

Tommy,

that's what friends are for....even Internet ones.

If Brown can reconcile that, then E=MC2 should be a walk in the park.
The only way I can reconcile it is .... he wants to see the black guy win ,but we all know that can't be the case don't we.

Sleeper CP

 

[wUTwZAT]

I try not to get involved on these political threads,
for someone to say race has NOTHING to do with this,
well their heads are buried in the sand.

When given the choice I'd vote with my political lines,
unless they had Charles Manson up there. McCains no Manson.

I'd choose Barack over Hillary for sure. And McCain over Barack. The one person I'd vote for as president and it wouldn't matter what party affiliation he had would have to be Powell. He stepped away back when he did because he and his family were fearful of him being killed.

I feel Barack faces the same challenges Powell would have. I don't dislike the guy, I just don't know much about him, and I don't care for what his party (Democrats) plan to do to this country (Economics). Back when Jesse Jackson was running he had tons of support, but when it came to the moment of truth most people couldn't vote for a black president. In my honest opinion, we will see if that happens again, I feel Barack should win by all the support I have heard people have for him, but lets see how they vote when the time comes.

These are just my opinions, I don't think who becomes president in this election will change much, but I feel the party behind that president will dictate everything.​

 

[TBI]

Tommy,


If Brown can reconcile that, then E=MC2 should be a walk in the park.

 

[BajaT]

Bush's #1 Job is to protect our soil which I feel he has done very well by taking the offensive since 911. For this alone, I don't see how people vote for Obama over McCain..