Canada tariffs? What about can ams!

[riverroyal]

I'm not paying 25% more if this goes through.

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[Mr. C]

I'm not paying 25% more if this goes through.

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Haha. Sometimes steps need to be taken to get production in “our” country. Back on track.

 

[JB in so cal]

Can't even buy a Mex Am now too...

 

[attitude]

I’ll start putting 25% less maple syrup on my pancakes and waffles…

 

[riverroyal]

Haha. Sometimes steps need to be taken to get production in “our” country. Back on track.

I know i know.
Looks like early January purchase

 

[NIKAL]

Can Am UTV’s are not made in Canada. They are made in Mexico, which will also have the Tariffs, if Mexico does not stop allowing illegals to pass through to the USA.

Everyone is worried and the “Experts” claim these tariffs are going to hurt Americans. Yet does anyone remember Trump initiated these tariffs in his first term, and we were not financially ruined. Biden kept the Trump tariffs in place even though he condemned them. Just a few months ago Biden increased China tariffs on some items like electric vehicles, solar panels, chips and batteries. I guess if Biden does it the media is ok with it?

 

[Sleek-Jet]

The last time he did this lumber went through the roof as most the logs for 2x4's comes from the canuks.

 

[riverroyal]

Im all for tariffs. But at 47k msrp with another 25% is going hurt.
If it happens.

 

[530RL]

Can Am UTV’s are not made in Canada. They are made in Mexico, which will also have the Tariffs, if Mexico does not stop allowing illegals to pass through to the USA.

Everyone is worried and the “Experts” claim these tariffs are going to hurt Americans. Yet does anyone remember Trump initiated these tariffs in his first term, and we were not financially ruined. Biden kept the Trump tariffs in place even though he condemned them. Just a few months ago Biden increased China tariffs on some items like electric vehicles, solar panels, chips and batteries. I guess if Biden does it the media is ok with it?

Targeted tariffs are viewed today as useful tools for trade management by both parties.

Universal tariffs on all goods and services have been tried before.

The Great Depression Lesson About ‘Trade Wars’ | HISTORY

In 1930, raising tariffs across the board hurt the U.S. economy.

www.history.com

I suspect this is bluster. Across the board tariffs are unlikely and if implemented will lead to the rich getting even richer and the working class getting hurt causing a reasonably quick correction in policy as mid term elections come very quickly.

 

[JDKRXW]

Canadian federal government is shitting their pants right now.... and getting little support from the public - because Trump is right (as long as he doesn't go too far).
It seems like if 1) drugs and 2) illegals getting funneled into the us are brought under control, some reasonableness may prevail.
What's concening everyone most is the car industry (not just us but the EU too), and it could get real ugly.

Just as an aside; it's been reveald that there's 4.9 million people here on temporary visas --- that expire on Dec.31, 2025. There was no promise of citizenship but the government is going to use the honor system to ensure they leave. This is 5 million in a population of under 40 million.
We're fucked.

 

[Mr. C]

Im all for tariffs. But at 47k msrp with another 25% is going hurt.
If it happens.

Things might hurt for sure for a bit. . But if they are. Wouldn’t you rather have an American company prosper. .
Semi rhetorical

 

[JDKRXW]

Things might hurt for sure for a bit. . But if they are. Wouldn’t you rather have an American company prosper. .
Semi rhetorical

It's a balance. Some will prosper, some will get slaughtered. Im thinking Boeing, Cat, Deere and Microsoft as examples

 

[96motorhead]

Things might hurt for sure for a bit. . But if they are. Wouldn’t you rather have an American company prosper. .
Semi rhetorical

American companies likely won't prosper as much as you would think. Our standard of living has priced us out of the global economy as producers.

I think the threat of tariffs being placed on imports is going to be used more as a tool to leverage foreign nations to our benefit. That's just my opinion.

 

[530RL]

American companies likely won't prosper as much as you would think. Our standard of living has priced us out of the global economy as producers.

I think the threat of tariffs being placed on imports is going to be used more as a tool to leverage foreign nations to our benefit. That's just my opinion.

There are 4 billion people on the planet willing to work for a fraction of the standard of living of the lowest cost laborer in America.

And Americans standard of living prospers greatly off the willingness of those people working for a lower standard of living doing menial labor while Americans do high value work.

There is a lot of high value production American companies can focus on. Leave menial assembly jobs to those willing to work for a lower standard of living.

 

[Mr. C]

American companies likely won't prosper as much as you would think. Our standard of living has priced us out of the global economy as producers.

I think the threat of tariffs being placed on imports is going to be used more as a tool to leverage foreign nations to our benefit. That's just my opinion.

Maybe not right away buts it got to start somewhere.
. Jmho.

 

[Mr. C]

There are 4 billion people on the planet willing to work for a fraction of the standard of living of the lowest cost laborer in America.

And Americans standard of living prospers greatly off the willingness of those people working for a lower standard of living doing menial labor while Americans do high value work.

There is a lot of high value production American companies can focus on. Leave menial assembly jobs to those willing to work for a lower standard of living.

But if America didn’t import all its shit. Those willing to work for fucking scraps wouldn’t matter as much.
I’d rather pay more for what is made here. Than tariffs from shit hole country.

To me what most are missing. Is we dont need any other country to survive and prosper.
We have almost everything we need here or we did until it was thrown away. .

 

[Done-it-again]

Im all for tariffs. But at 47k msrp with another 25% is going hurt.
If it happens.

It’s 25% of the mfg cost not 25% of the MSRP.

 

[530RL]

But if America didn’t import all its shit. Those willing to work for fucking scraps wouldn’t matter as much.
I’d rather pay more for what is made here. Than tariffs from shit hole country.

And that should certainly be your choice.

But, for example, if someone can’t afford to buy from the snap on truck for their new career as an automotive technician, they should certainly be free to chose a cheaper option so they too can thrive despite just starting out on a limited budget.

And as they thrive, they may just choose as you do. But that should be their choice.

 

[Mr. C]

But if America didn’t import all its shit. Those willing to work for fucking scraps wouldn’t matter as much.
I’d rather pay more for what is made here. Than tariffs from shit hole country.

And that should certainly be your choice.

But, for example, if someone can’t afford to buy from the snap on truck for their new career as an automotive technician, they should certainly be free to chose a cheaper option so they too can thrive despite just starting out on a limited budget.

And as they thrive, they may just choose as you do. But that should be their choice.

And that cheaper option coming on the heels of 8-10 year olds working who knows how many hours is ok with you.
No problem. Pay the tariff for those products.
Our country has gone to shit because of how we have sold out to others.

 

[riverroyal]

It’s 25% of the mfg cost not 25% of the MSRP.

That makes sense.
A 47k can am could go up 5k I'd think

 

[530RL]

And that cheaper option coming on the heels of 8-10 year olds working who knows how many hours is ok with you.
No problem. Pay they tariff for those products.

Fair enough, if the concern is child labor, why not tariff child labor made products versus all products?

Now if the view is one wants to tariff products manufactured in less expensive manufacturing options in order to subsidize American workers wages with higher prices to purchasers, which fairly will come at the expense of American consumers pocketbooks and standard of living, why not just admit that?

Why not just be honest about it. The American consumer has chosen cheaper foreign made products and the US government should tax those who make that choice in order to subsidize some Americans at the expense of others?

There is nothing wrong with that view, lots of countries share it, but why not just admit the economic reality of what it is?

 

[Mr. C]

Fair enough, if the concern is child labor, why not tariff child labor made products versus all products?

Now if the view is one wants to tariff products manufactured in less expensive manufacturing options in order to subsidize American workers wages with higher prices to purchasers, which fairly will come at the expense of American consumers pocketbooks and standard of living, why not just admit that?

Why not just be honest about it. The American consumer has chosen cheaper foreign made products and the US government should tax those who make that choice in order to subsidize some Americans at the expense of others?

There is nothing wrong with that view, lots of countries share it, but why not just admit the economic reality of what it is?

In short. The American consumer has been forced into buying goods from other countries due to how our (so called leaders) have done business
We could be the leaders of the world. But nope. Suck on the tit of others.

 

[boatpi]

Trump is wielding a big stick, a toool.

To get the border Partners to get smart and bring illegals and drugs under control. It is the best roll in his war chest. It will work, it always does. We are huge importers and are not too worried. Trudeau is donkey and truly screwing up a great country.

 

[530RL]

In short. The American consumer has been forced into buying goods from other countries due to how our (so called leaders) have done business
We could be the leaders of the world. But nope. Suck on the tit of others.

Fair enough.

As a consumer, I don’t believe the government has “forced” me to choose goods from other countries. For example, I can buy a 15,000 tool chest made in America from my snap on guy or I can spend 3,500 bucks for one made outside America that will do the job. And I am glad Americans have the freedom to make that choice.

And I am glad the government enacted polices where the guy selling the 3500 dollar box can compete with the 15,000 dollar box. Im glad I could purchase the cheaper one when I was young and starting out, and the expensive one now that I can pay for it. People can truly have opportunities when they have those choices, at least I believe so. I certainly did.

This is a tough situation where someone is going to lose and someone is going to win in a big way. We should probably just focus on how to be the windshield and not the big.

 

[Orange Juice]

Taxes + Religion = Politics

 

[BingerFang]

Fair enough.

As a consumer, I don’t believe the government has “forced” me to choose goods from other countries. For example, I can buy a 15,000 tool chest made in America from my snap on guy or I can spend 3,500 bucks for one made outside America that will do the job. And I am glad Americans have the freedom to make that choice.

And I am glad the government enacted polices where the guy selling the 3500 dollar box can compete with the 15,000 dollar box. Im glad I could purchase the cheaper one when I was young and starting out, and the expensive one now that I can pay for it. People can truly have opportunities when they have those choices, at least I believe so. I certainly did.

This is a tough situation where someone is going to lose and someone is going to win in a big way. We should probably just focus on how to be the windshield and not the big.

China is shipping 4 legs and square top to Mexico, having a cheap laborer put 4 screws in making it a table, and it’s then it’s able to be imported into USA with no tariffs with a “hencho in Mexico sticker.” Complete crap.

Everyone is taking advantage of the USA, we’ve been too nice for too long.

We have the capabilities to make a cheap toolbox here in America. However, there is no incentive when we can use slave labor with zero regulation overseas and 10x the bottom line.

We need to learn how to be the exterminator so our grandkids don’t have to worry about bugs on the windshield.

Aren’t you in the Union?

 

[Dog]

Fair enough.

As a consumer, I don’t believe the government has “forced” me to choose goods from other countries. For example, I can buy a 15,000 tool chest made in America from my snap on guy or I can spend 3,500 bucks for one made outside America that will do the job. And I am glad Americans have the freedom to make that choice.

And I am glad the government enacted polices where the guy selling the 3500 dollar box can compete with the 15,000 dollar box. Im glad I could purchase the cheaper one when I was young and starting out, and the expensive one now that I can pay for it. People can truly have opportunities when they have those choices, at least I believe so. I certainly did.

This is a tough situation where someone is going to lose and someone is going to win in a big way. We should probably just focus on how to be the windshield and not the big.

Where does AI and automation fit into your rose colored glasses?

 

[530RL]

Where does AI and automation fit into your rose colored glasses?

For me, it Gives America even more opportunities to focus on high value manufacturing while less developed countries rely on menial labor.

 

[HTTP404]

I hear they suck anyway.

 

[Dog]

For me, it Gives America even more opportunities to focus on high value manufacturing while less developed countries rely on menial labor.

Does it negate child labor or "cheap" labor in counties that will have to pay tariffs?

 

[Motor Boater]

For me, it Gives America even more opportunities to focus on high value manufacturing while less developed countries rely on menial labor.

The scary thing is nothing is manufactured here anymore. If other countries want to decimate us. They just stop sending us medicine or other goods. Where are your blood pressure meds manufactured? Someone’s insulin? Oil, Food, Etc etc. we have to keep some level of control here. I mean if someone cuts off the chicken nugget supply my kids are gonna starve. It’s like trust but verify. We have too much foreign dependency. Too many eggs in one basket or too few eggs in our basket might be a better example.