Can the "it's only a dry heat" crowd explain the stats?

[kurtis500]

This chart speaks for itself.... How small is Arizona in population compared to Florida, Texas, California.... I retired from the FD in Phoenix and I just LOVE hearing people tell me how much worse they have it elsewhere...

Heat related deaths per state.

AP analysis finds 2023 set record for US heat deaths, killing in areas that used to handle the heat

Federal data shows that about 2,300 people in the U.S. died in the summer of 2023 with death certificates mentioning the effects of excessive heat.

apnews.com

 

[NicPaus]

Suicides due to the weather?

Must not be as Washington is not highest.

 

[Angler]

A lot of old people in the sunshine States.

 

[FreeBird236]

Arizona is on this new kick of blaming all the deaths on the heat and global warming. Half of the homeless deaths that are blamed on the heat are probably overdoses.

 

[Chili Palmer]

Arizona is on this new kick of blaming all the deaths on the heat and global warming. Half of the homeless deaths that are blamed on the heat are probably overdoses.

Just like all people who died by snake bites and car accidents in 2020 were all listed as death by covid. F’n liberal government!

 

[Sleek-Jet]

How many of those deaths are border crossers? When I lived in Tucson they found hundred of those poor bastards expired in the desert from heat exposure.

 

[BingerFang]

Can you post a source to the chart so we can give you better edumacated guesses?

 

[Kachina26]

The dry heat feels better therefore you don't know you're in danger until it's too late. Hell, I dunno, but I've been in both and I'll take the dry heat any day.

 

[Kachina26]

Can we get a side by side with the IQ map from the other day?

 

[t&y]

This chart speaks for itself.... How small is Arizona in population compared to Florida, Texas, California.... I retired from the FD in Phoenix and I just LOVE hearing people tell me how much worse they have it elsewhere...

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Not sure what you are asking here but I'll give it a shot. If I would guess, given the flock of old retired people to warmer climate would have something to do with a lot of death.

 

[500bbc]

This chart speaks for itself.... How small is Arizona in population compared to Florida, Texas, California.... I retired from the FD in Phoenix and I just LOVE hearing people tell me how much worse they have it elsewhere...

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How does this chart speak for itself? It's numbers on a map with no context.

 

[kurtis500]

Can you post a source to the chart so we can give you better edumacated guesses?

AP analysis finds 2023 set record for US heat deaths, killing in areas that used to handle the heat

Federal data shows that about 2,300 people in the U.S. died in the summer of 2023 with death certificates mentioning the effects of excessive heat.

apnews.com

 

[240Hallett]

I wonder if AP has any agenda?

 

[Mandelon]

How many of those deaths are border crossers? When I lived in Tucson they found hundred of those poor bastards expired in the desert from heat exposure.

I bet this is it. Millions of migrants crossing the desert, coyote guides that will leave people behind. A truck full of illegals left in the sun, etc.

 

[charred1]

Heat is the new Covid.

 

[kurtis500]

by far, this is the scenario that I’ve seen so many times that was never reported. Probably still isn’t. Even more with the homeless.

“His family found the 73-year-old lying on the ground, his lower body burned. Hom died at the hospital, his core body temperature at 107 degrees.”

 

[2Driver]

Arizona is on this new kick of blaming all the deaths on the heat and global warming. Half of the homeless deaths that are blamed on the heat are probably overdoses.

BAM nailed it.

Its a new national thing to push an agenda for funding like climate change. Government learned by exaggerating “covid deaths” they could grease the skids of their agenda…..the tactic just transferred to “heat deaths“

 

[OC Daytona]

I wonder if AP has any agenda?

Right?!? AP is mostly fake news.....CNN is more honest than AP

 

[2Driver]

LOL He had a 100 fold lethal dose of fentanyl in his body, but he may have pulled through if it wasn't 98 out : Heat death.

 

[Bigbore500r]

Dry heat is why they make Coors light.

 

[kurtis500]

Arizona is on this new kick of blaming all the deaths on the heat and global warming. Half of the homeless deaths that are blamed on the heat are probably overdoses.

So Arizona is over reporting while the much larger states of California, Texas and Florida are being honest?

Explain

 

[kurtis500]

I bet this is it. Millions of migrants crossing the desert, coyote guides that will leave people behind. A truck full of illegals left in the sun, etc.

I wonder why Texas with a much longer border is lower.

 

[t&y]

@kurtis500 Let's get to the point... What amount of Tax do we need to pay to make this go away?

 

[t&y]

I wonder why Texas with a much longer border is lower.

I heard Texans are trained to stay out of the heat all day

 

[kurtis500]

I heard Texans are trained to stay out of the heat all day

you call the migrants that cross the border 'Texans'? I dont

 

[mbrown2]

So Arizona is over reporting while the much larger states of California, Texas and Florida are being honest?

Explain

Exactly....I agree there may be aging pops in those warmer states...so that drives some it .. but the boarder crossers.... there is as many crossers in Cali, NM and Texas as AZ...are we saying on AZ is only over reporting... Maybe just accept fact AZ is hot as fock and that sometimes kills people...

 

[FreeBird236]

So Arizona is over reporting while the much larger states of California, Texas and Florida are being honest?

Explain

I don't know what the other states are doing, I just know Arizona had about 100 three years ago, 200 two years ago and about three something last year, and now all the news channels just love to report the deaths and the heat records.

 

[t&y]

you call the migrants that cross the border 'Texas'? I dont

Is this a chart depicting migrant deaths, or heat deaths? What am I missing?

 

[kurtis500]

I don't know what the other states are doing, I just know Arizona had about 100 three years ago, 200 two years ago and about three something last year, and now all the news channels just love to report the deaths and the heat records.

it was 671 2 years ago... not quite the fake numbers.

Im trying to figure out why Arizona would lie and the others wouldnt? Especially the great liberal state of California

 

[samsah33]

I'm going with spontaneous human combustion.

 

[Outdrive1]

My thermostat app says it was 9 degrees hotter this June than last June. I can tell you that it was probably the hottest 2/3 weeks I can remember.

 

[kurtis500]

My thermostat app says it was 9 degrees hotter this June than last June. I can tell you that it was probably the hottest 2/3 weeks I can remember.

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I use the same Honeywell thermostat system...love it!

 

[FreeBird236]

it was 671 2 years ago... not quite the fake numbers.

Im trying to figure out why Arizona would lie and the others wouldnt? Especially the great liberal state of California

I'm not sure of all the numbers but, definitely appears to be a pattern to me, and who's to say 671 isn't exaggerated. Sometimes these deaths are an old person living alone and the air conditioning quits and that's tragic, but for the most part this must be the homeless which has increased so maybe that's the cause.

 

[NicPaus]

Is this a chart depicting migrant deaths, or heat deaths? What am I missing?

Suicide deaths? I figured heat. But that missing data would help.

 

[rivermobster]

This chart speaks for itself.... How small is Arizona in population compared to Florida, Texas, California.... I retired from the FD in Phoenix and I just LOVE hearing people tell me how much worse they have it elsewhere...

Heat related deaths per state.

AP analysis finds 2023 set record for US heat deaths, killing in areas that used to handle the heat

Federal data shows that about 2,300 people in the U.S. died in the summer of 2023 with death certificates mentioning the effects of excessive heat.

apnews.com

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You're a first responder...

How about you explain it to us??

Maybe you'll save a life, or three.

 

[attitude]

I just moved to Arizona. It’s hot as fuck, stay away for your own good.

 

[kurtis500]

You're a first responder...

How about you explain it to us??

Maybe you'll save a life, or three.

the simple answer is this.....

Its not about how it feels, ITS ALL ABOUT THE BODYS CORE TEMP. Environments where everything is over the bodys core temp are dangerous. When the air you breathe, your skin etc. are all over the bodys core temp 98.7 there is no way to cool itself. Higher the temp the faster the downfall. Add in any medical condition or any MENTAL medical condition like being stupid enough to hike Camelback or Squaw peak in the summer and you have recipe for a fatal shutdown.

Somebody should throw the electrical breaker for the town of Lake Havasu in May and see how many tough guys are left in September. Like Phoenix a hundred years ago whoever is left would spend most of the summer near the local river day and night.

 

[500bbc]

So Arizona is over reporting while the much larger states of California, Texas and Florida are being honest?

Explain

Who's doing the counting?

 

[500bbc]

Why doesn't the AP Anal-sis show any adjustment for increase in population?

 

[Kachina26]

Not sure what you are asking here but I'll give it a shot. If I would guess, given the flock of old retired people to warmer climate would have something to do with a lot of death.

Florida is full of old retirees too.

 

[stonehenge]

the simple answer is this.....

Its not about how it feels, ITS ALL ABOUT THE BODYS CORE TEMP. Environments where everything is over the bodys core temp are dangerous. When the air you breathe, your skin etc. are all over the bodys core temp 98.7 there is no way to cool itself. Higher the temp the faster the downfall. Add in any medical condition or any MENTAL medical condition like being stupid enough to hike Camelback or Squaw peak in the summer and you have recipe for a fatal shutdown.

Somebody should throw the electrical breaker for the town of Lake Havasu in May and see how many tough guys are left in September. Like Phoenix a hundred years ago whoever is left would spend most of the summer near the local river day and night.

All those years in a nomex cvc suit, in a 14 ton armored vehicle w/no ac, buttoned up with full mopp level 4, in the middle of July at 29 stumps... I wish you had been there telling the crazy fucks in charge it is just to dam hot to do training in this environment. lol

 

[t&y]

Florida is full of old retirees too.

Yeah... but Arizona is a Dry Heat state

 

[Outdrive1]

I would think people need to take some responsibility for heat related deaths. It’s not like you walk to mailbox and succumb to heat on the way back your house and die. It’s the guy that thinks it’s a good idea to climb in the attic for something, or the 10 year old that went hiking in 122 degree heat. I get that other people have done that and survived, or that their intentions were good. At the end of the day however there’s some risk that people deem acceptable, and once in a while the worst situation happens. Are those heat related deaths?

 

[rivermobster]

the simple answer is this.....

Its not about how it feels, ITS ALL ABOUT THE BODYS CORE TEMP. Environments where everything is over the bodys core temp are dangerous. When the air you breathe, your skin etc. are all over the bodys core temp 98.7 there is no way to cool itself. Higher the temp the faster the downfall. Add in any medical condition or any MENTAL medical condition like being stupid enough to hike Camelback or Squaw peak in the summer and you have recipe for a fatal shutdown.

Somebody should throw the electrical breaker for the town of Lake Havasu in May and see how many tough guys are left in September. Like Phoenix a hundred years ago whoever is left would spend most of the summer near the local river day and night.

I want to agree, but in not sure I can?

The human body sweats. The sweat evaporating off your skin has a Massive cooling effect!

I was a mechanic, back in the day WAY before indoor dealerships were a thing. We had to work on hot cars, in over 100 degrees temps, here in SoCal every day, all summer long.

AND NOBODY DIED!!!

So I don't thing air temps above 98.6 degrees is the only problem here.

And having a fever (elevated core temp), isn't gonna kill somebody either. Lots of us have lived through that.

Tuesday I was working on my boat. I have a good primer tan, so being in the sun wasn't a problem. It was pushing 100, but I worked in that shit my whole life. No big.

But...

When I finally sat down to take a break, I realized I had DEFINITELY over done it! I was lightheaded, and it took a good long while before I felt normal again.

What signs did I miss, that I should have been looking for??

 

[DLC]

So just looking at extreme heat - over 110 days

This is based out of Phoenix

2023 had 55 days of over 110 days one of the worst years

2024 So far up until July 18 we have had 28 days of over 110 days so most likely they will surpass the 2023 figure

 

[Gelcoater]

What signs did I miss, that I should have been looking for??

Your graying hair

Heat easier to tolerate when you were 30 isn’t so easy 20-30 years later.

 

[rivermobster]

So just looking at extreme heat - over 110 days

This is based out of Phoenix

2023 had 55 days of over 110 days one of the worst years

2024 So far up until July 18 we have had 28 days of over 110 days so most likely they will surpass the 2023 figure

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Fuck Phoenix.

As I was driving through there, on the way home from the White Mountains, I was texting Tyro...

Why the Fuck do you live here?!?!?

 

[rivermobster]

Your graying hair

Heat easier to tolerate when you were 30 isn’t so easy 20-30 years later.

Solid answer.

 

[stephenkatsea]

Much of the NE corner of AZ is the Navajo Reservation. I’d be curious to see the amount of deaths due to heat in that area. My guess would be, probably not that many. Native Americans make up the majority of the population. But, they know how to live in the high temperatures. Although, the area is not typically as hot as Havasu. As mentioned prior, illegal aliens coming across the southern border undoubtedly are a substantial portion of these deaths. Texas and Florida were mentioned. Likely not many recreational hikers in those states. Border crossers would not be an issue for Florida.

 

[OC Daytona]

Why doesn't the AP Anal-sis show any adjustment for increase in population?

Doesn't fit the narrative. Rarely is anything by AP ever in context. I'll only read an AP article for entertainment. I know going in it is some kind of slanted propaganda
for one of their "sponsors". As is most of the corporate media these days.