BLM is at it again --- Kingman Travel Plan 29 days and counting

[Taboma]

BLM has released the maps for the new road and trail closures under the Kingman Travel Plan.

This affects areas where many of you Mohave and Bullhead residents ride. Also affects the Hualapai mountains, Black Mountains, essentially all the BLM land in the surrounding Kingman and Mohave areas.

Here's a link to the Arizona Backcountry Explorers site for more info.
https://arizonaexplorers.blogspot.com/2018/08/kingman-travel-management-plan.html?m=1

Here's a link to the BLM Kingman Travel Plan website, for more info and the newly released comment maps.

https://eplanning.blm.gov/epl-front...me=dispatchToPatternPage&currentPageId=132656

Info for the three local meeting should anyone be able to attend.

 

[KENDOG689]

Fuck them....Total control without votes is bullshit.

 

[RodnJen]

Fuck them....Total control without votes is bullshit.

Talk to the president.

 

[Pesky Varmint]

From the March 1980 Four Wheeler magazine "NOC/BLM Showdown" by Richard H. Johnson:

"Frustration!!! Every time someone asks the kind of question that I think will really pin them down, they pull off the Houdini trick of the year, and wrap their escape in so many words that by the time they finish their explanation, the audience has forgotten the original issue and question. But in a way, I felt sorry for the poor BLM guys. If they were to be honest and aboveboard in their answers, they would lose their jobs. And, since it's doubtful that they could perform meaningful labor in the civilian world, they would probably end up on the welfare roles. It's a dilemma that I wouldn't be able to handle. That's why I'm not a government worker, I guess"

Richard Johnson's highly successful and profitable career as an off-road writer continued for years. Meanwhile, the BLM employees made negative contributions to public wealth in a myriad of ways.

I pay so much in tax dollars that I have a real problem with morons who
couldn't generate the slightest amount of true prosperity intend to confiscate
our freedom (I'm referring to BLM employees) to enjoy the outdoors where we want
to the way we want to.

I'm talking about people like BLM employees who make ridiculous choices to
close, close, close. The reasons are simply laziness, they close these areas
in the hope that they will never have to do any serious work related to them
and that closing is easy. Everything else they do is hard.

If the BLM wants to be lazy, there is a real opportunity here with people
like me who pay huge tax dollars. I could care less if these mindless morons
sat all day at their desk doing nothing as long as they don't close more stuff.
That would give me the value I want for my tax dollars.

And this effort to close things shows how out of touch the BLM is with recreationists.
The recreationists are all people with money, note the popularity of vehicular
recreation. I think there might be one or two long haired granola eating enviroweenies
out there, maybe even a rich one or two. But I think it is obvious what type of people
contribute to the economies of the communities in that area: people who like to recreate
with motor vehicles.

Having seen, been on, and driven many of these obscure roads targeted for closure I
can assure anyone who cares that there is no good reason for their closure other than
the laziness and thoughtlessness on the part of the BLM (maybe I stumbled on the problem
there, BLM and thought is an oxymoron, or at least a moron).

 

[MSum661]

Its a left over Obama Administration era overreach proposal related to His RMP plan.
Its another regulatory threat that can and should be stopped.

 

[KENDOG689]

Talk to the president.

Not sure he knows.

 

[2Driver]

They aren't at it again, it is their long term mission. I hate to tell you many of these plans are interim plans before the harder lock downs come a few years down the road.

 

[Go-Fly]

They aren't at it again, it is their long term mission. I hate to tell you many of these plans are interim plans before the harder lock downs come a few years down the road.

How true this is. This planning action has been going on for years by people that have no accountability to anyone. Public lands are not for the public. They are for a selected few that get paid to use them. I fly over the Oregon dunes that are closed to ATV's and see tracks that lead back to the state work centers along the freeway. I'm sure they are just out there making sure no one is breaking the law.

 

[Taboma]

I'm going to bump this back up on top, just in case anybody might have missed this before it slips to page 2.
As a ranch owner in a part of the area affected, I've alerted our POA, because it somehow slipped under our collective radar.
Many ranch neighbors are now planning on attending and are as I type, reaching out to our local AZ and area representatives.
Depending on how the BLM proceeds with this TMP and depending on which Alternative, it has the potential to close or limit access to a few roads we currently maintain (Our POA) in order we have emergency egress routes in case of flash flooding (Which occurs often) or should we get trapped by a wildfire.
Once again their fuckin so called "Comment Map" isn't working for shit and demanding a Department of the Interior Password to access --- nice, obviously the Feds are just here to help us
If any of you explore on the north side of the I-40, then you're affected by this and by this I mean all the way up to beyond Oatman and east to Bagdad.

 

[RiverDave]

For the life of me I cannot figure out what the goal is behind these things

 

[c_land]

I'm going to bump this back up on top, just in case anybody might have missed this before it slips to page 2.
As a ranch owner in a part of the area affected, I've alerted our POA, because it somehow slipped under our collective radar.
Many ranch neighbors are now planning on attending and are as I type, reaching out to our local AZ and area representatives.
Depending on how the BLM proceeds with this TMP and depending on which Alternative, it has the potential to close or limit access to a few roads we currently maintain (Our POA) in order we have emergency egress routes in case of flash flooding (Which occurs often) or should we get trapped by a wildfire.
Once again their fuckin so called "Comment Map" isn't working for shit and demanding a Department of the Interior Password to access --- nice, obviously the Feds are just here to help us
If any of you explore on the north side of the I-40, then you're affected by this and by this I mean all the way up to beyond Oatman and east to Bagdad.

We can comment here: [email protected]

I also requested they provide a working map link. here is a contact email i found: [email protected]

 

[c_land]

Current Trail Status:

 

[c_land]

Proposed Trail Closures/Limitations in the Travel Plan:

 

[c_land]

Keep in mind, the above only shows the area near oatman/bullhead. View the map to see the closures proposed throughout the area managed by the Kingman Field Office:
Working Link: https://eplanning.blm.gov/EPLCommentMap/?itemId=fdd39ecb6e17493ba78efc4e09cf2bc2

Please submit comments. It can be one sentence. Just say something.
You can submit comments here: [email protected]

 

[Taboma]

Keep in mind, the above only shows the area near oatman/bullhead. View the map to see the closures proposed throughout the area managed by the Kingman Field Office:
Working Link: https://eplanning.blm.gov/EPLCommentMap/?itemId=fdd39ecb6e17493ba78efc4e09cf2bc2

Please submit comments. It can be one sentence. Just say something.
You can submit comments here: [email protected]

Thanks for the working comment map link !!
A lot of my ranch neighbors attended last nights meeting in Kingman, but I haven't visited our property owner's FB page to read their meeting report yet. I do know a rep from BLM is coming out to meet with our board on Monday evening to discuss anything in their plan we're taking issue with. This is of course specific to our local ranch area, which has minor BLM intrusion/interaction, most of our bordering or pass-through public land is AZ State Trust.
Based on the comment map the BLM's current proposal is Alternate "C" or loss of approx 1,680 miles of trails.

 

[TCHB]

Its a left over Obama Administration era overreach proposal related to His RMP plan.
Its another regulatory threat that can and should be stopped.

Nope it has been going on a long long time.

 

[MSum661]

Nope it has been going on a long long time.

Let me re-phase it.
It started by a Presidential abuse of the Antiquities Act, via the RMP and slammed through under the BLM TMP.
If it wasn't for the repeal of Obama's Land Planning Rule, better known as BLM 2.0, its possible there would be no public comment meetings anywhere in the U.S. related to BLM Public lands.
But I understand what your getting at.

 

[TCHB]

Glamis has been going through this for decades. When we had our home in Parker in 1990 they were closing off riding areas along the river then.

One of the problems I see is people use the areas and leave trash everywhere. This starts the ball rolling.

 

[MSum661]

Glamis has been going through this for decades. When we had our home in Parker in 1990 they were closing off riding areas along the river then.

One of the problems I see is people use the areas and leave trash everywhere. This starts the ball rolling.

Yep.
Also, there has been a western states archaeological growing flashpoint going on the last decade.
The BLM staffs a lot of archaeologist's and the agency manages millions of acres that contain countless sites. They like to use words like "anticipated" sites. It's all it takes to greatly restrict an area on public lands and the Colorado River wash area's have long been one of their archaeological districts. They can loosely use the Antiquities Act to move into an area under the guise of "objects of historic or scientific interest". That could mean anything.
And they're not exactly transparent with detailing out their agenda's other than creating public comment meetings so its no wonder why we want to know why some roads will remain open...and some connecting roads will not.
Always comes across as suspicious.
Not implying objects of historic or scientific interest are the reasons for this particular restriction.

 

[wallnutz]

We need to start a petition to ban the BLM.

 

[KENDOG689]

If the shut these areas down that blows.Thats where I go to explore.They do this shit where they know people ride just to fuck with us.

 

[Taboma]

Yep.
Also, there has been a western states archaeological growing flashpoint going on the last decade.
The BLM staffs a lot of archaeologist's and the agency manages millions of acres that contain countless sites. They like to use words like "anticipated" sites. It's all it takes to greatly restrict an area on public lands and the Colorado River wash area's have long been one of their archaeological districts. They can loosely use the Antiquities Act to move into an area under the guise of "objects of historic or scientific interest". That could mean anything.
And they're not exactly transparent with detailing out their agenda's other than creating public comment meetings so its no wonder why we want to know why some roads will remain open...and some connecting roads will not.
Always comes across as suspicious.
Not implying objects of historic or scientific interest are the reasons for this particular restriction.

Up where our ranch is, they're shutting down roads that make zero sense. There's nothing to protect, like a very short section that runs from private land, across AZ state trust, then maybe 50' across a corner of BLM and they're closing that 50', thereby killing the entire road. That corner of BLM has a couple of bushes and rocks. There is one road that leads to a famous mine that produced millions in the late 1800s. They're all patented mines and have been mined on and off as late as a few years ago. The owner has recently had an exploration company performing test drills and considering re-opening it again. Well that recently restored and regraded access road under all the BLM alternates shows to be closed.
When you look at their maps closely and in an area you're really familiar with, it's obvious they're trying to make their closure percentage numbers, not protecting shit.
We've got a private meeting with a BLM rep to discuss obtaining right of ways for a couple of our ranch roads they're trying to close.
I'm given to believe they don't give two shits about AZ passing House Bill 2175 or Mining Statute 2477, their take seems to be their land (Our fuckin land !!), their rules.

There was no open discussion in last nights Kingman meeting. They had tables with maps spread out, BLM reps there to answer questions and some dumb ass BLM marketing movie being projected.

 

[MSum661]

Up where our ranch is, they're shutting down roads that make zero sense. There's nothing to protect, like a very short section that runs from private land, across AZ state trust, then maybe 50' across a corner of BLM and they're closing that 50', thereby killing the entire road. That corner of BLM has a couple of bushes and rocks. There is one road that leads to a famous mine that produced millions in the late 1800s. They're all patented mines and have been mined on and off as late as a few years ago. The owner has recently had an exploration company performing test drills and considering re-opening it again. Well that recently restored and regraded access road under all the BLM alternates shows to be closed.
When you look at their maps closely and in an area you're really familiar with, it's obvious they're trying to make their closure percentage numbers, not protecting shit.
We've got a private meeting with a BLM rep to discuss obtaining right of ways for a couple of our ranch roads they're trying to close.
I'm given to believe they don't give two shits about AZ passing House Bill 2175 or Mining Statute 2477, their take seems to be their land (Our fuckin land !!), their rules.

There was no open discussion in last nights Kingman meeting. They had tables with maps spread out, BLM reps there to answer questions and some dumb ass BLM marketing movie being projected.

Have you discussed this with the claim owner?
Sometimes a claim owner can close public access to a mining operation if they feel it could be hazardous or lead to injury.
Sometimes they'll word it when they file a POO.
Keep us posted on the BLM rep. meeting. Would like to hear what they say about it.

 

[Taboma]

Have you discussed this with the claim owner?
Sometimes a claim owner can close public access to a mining operation if they feel it could be hazardous or lead to injury.
Sometimes they'll word it when they file a POO.
Keep us posted on the BLM rep. meeting. Would like to hear what they say about it.

Most of us area ranch owners aren't drinkin buddies with the mine owner. He's using a few of the dirt roads we pay to maintain, but we can't stop him and he's promised to help with any repairs ---- well except he hasn't So in truth, I'd like to see BLM cause him a few headaches --- but his legal team will jump on it and get right of ways. Oh well, just made me smile to see his roads colored for closure

According to our fellow owners, most the people who showed up at the meeting were area 4wd groups, so that's a good thing.

 

[Taboma]

Update regarding our progress with BLM in regards to their planned closures. BLM has agreed to a private meeting scheduled for this coming Monday. Our association actually had obtained a BLM Right of Way for one of the road sections showing closure under Alt B. Alt. C has it designated Green, but it's our desire to reestablish or confirm that Right of Way and obtain two others.

On various 4WD forums I've read claims regarding RS2477 and how Utah won in court and how AZ passed HB2175 to thwart any BLM closures of these roads pre-existing 1976. A few hours of research and I was able to find area topographical maps from 1968 clearly showing these roads existing. USGS has a fantastic web site for finding historical Topo maps ---- http://historicalmaps.arcgis.com/usgs/

OK, so roads were existing, now what ? How to use this information effectively ? Call Paul Gosar ?
Here's where it gets tricky and none of the 4WD sites proclaiming that based on RS2477 and AZ HB2175 --- BLM or other Federal agencies simply can't close those roads ---- YEAH RIGHT, you wish.
The federal courts are up to their collectives asses in lawsuits from various states in this regards. Make no mistake, BLM is well prepared to fight you or keep you at bay for years. In most cases I quickly scanned, the lawsuits are over more major roads, in some cases paved --- essentially highways, not jeep trails. In fact AZ's reason for passing HB2175 wasn't to protect jeep trails or wilderness paths, it was to keep highways open because Pres. Trump was threatening closing National Parks that had major routes passing through them and to keep the feds from closing the roads as a consequence.
My point is, you're not going to confront BLM with AZ HB2175 and win any prizes. In fact I dare say, you're not going to find any AZ reps willing to go to war against the BLM to prevent the closure of anything other than a major highway.
Based on my reading about RSD2477 and AZ HB2175 I was pumped, then finding the maps I figured awesome now we've got the records, our ammunition of sorts --- well whoopie fuckin doo ---- except we've got no gun, so we're bringing ammo, yeah like 22 cal shorts, but no gun to a gun fight against Barrett 50 cals and M134 Mini-guns

Anyway, that's my take on 2477 and 2175, if I'm wrong please point me in the right direction.
At this point, we get as many as willing to make comments, we try to show reason for keeping the road open, we try to obtain Right of Ways and we lube up for what's coming.

 

[c_land]

Have you got much participation by way of comments? I sometimes see groups writing a general comment for stakeholders to easily cut and paste and that gets alot of attention. Has your group or any group you know of done that for this matter?

 

[Taboma]

Have you got much participation by way of comments? I sometimes see groups writing a general comment for stakeholders to easily cut and paste and that gets alot of attention. Has your group or any group you know of done that for this matter?

Yes we've got most all association members submitting comments in regards to the proposed closures impacting certain roads specific to our area. But I'm hoping the face to face meeting with the BLM Rep come Monday will provide a bit more clout.
At least that will give us the opportunity to not only point them out on the map, but drive him there if necessary.
One of these proposed closures is absurd, it's maybe 50' long, but effectively closes two major egress roads to Route 66.
They're also showing to close another section of the same road on the opposite side of Route 66, that's paved, a county named road, and the access to a operating Sand and Gravel operation.
It's obvious the BLM is simply tossing darts at a map board in order to accomplish this 30% closure.
Given their apparent random closures, I'm sure they'll be flooded with comments.

 

[Hullbilly]

Up where our ranch is, they're shutting down roads that make zero sense. There's nothing to protect, like a very short section that runs from private land, across AZ state trust, then maybe 50' across a corner of BLM and they're closing that 50', thereby killing the entire road. That corner of BLM has a couple of bushes and rocks. There is one road that leads to a famous mine that produced millions in the late 1800s. They're all patented mines and have been mined on and off as late as a few years ago. The owner has recently had an exploration company performing test drills and considering re-opening it again. Well that recently restored and regraded access road under all the BLM alternates shows to be closed.
When you look at their maps closely and in an area you're really familiar with, it's obvious they're trying to make their closure percentage numbers, not protecting shit.
We've got a private meeting with a BLM rep to discuss obtaining right of ways for a couple of our ranch roads they're trying to close.
I'm given to believe they don't give two shits about AZ passing House Bill 2175 or Mining Statute 2477, their take seems to be their land (Our fuckin land !!), their rules.

There was no open discussion in last nights Kingman meeting. They had tables with maps spread out, BLM reps there to answer questions and some dumb ass BLM marketing movie being projected.

sleeping circles, just ask a BLM cop about them....They go batshit crazy over those. Nerds

 

[Patyacht]

Update regarding our progress with BLM in regards to their planned closures. BLM has agreed to a private meeting scheduled for this coming Monday. Our association actually had obtained a BLM Right of Way for one of the road sections showing closure under Alt B. Alt. C has it designated Green, but it's our desire to reestablish or confirm that Right of Way and obtain two others.

On various 4WD forums I've read claims regarding RS2477 and how Utah won in court and how AZ passed HB2175 to thwart any BLM closures of these roads pre-existing 1976. A few hours of research and I was able to find area topographical maps from 1968 clearly showing these roads existing. USGS has a fantastic web site for finding historical Topo maps ---- http://historicalmaps.arcgis.com/usgs/

OK, so roads were existing, now what ? How to use this information effectively ? Call Paul Gosar ?
Here's where it gets tricky and none of the 4WD sites proclaiming that based on RS2477 and AZ HB2175 --- BLM or other Federal agencies simply can't close those roads ---- YEAH RIGHT, you wish.
The federal courts are up to their collectives asses in lawsuits from various states in this regards. Make no mistake, BLM is well prepared to fight you or keep you at bay for years. In most cases I quickly scanned, the lawsuits are over more major roads, in some cases paved --- essentially highways, not jeep trails. In fact AZ's reason for passing HB2175 wasn't to protect jeep trails or wilderness paths, it was to keep highways open because Pres. Trump was threatening closing National Parks that had major routes passing through them and to keep the feds from closing the roads as a consequence.
My point is, you're not going to confront BLM with AZ HB2175 and win any prizes. In fact I dare say, you're not going to find any AZ reps willing to go to war against the BLM to prevent the closure of anything other than a major highway.
Based on my reading about RSD2477 and AZ HB2175 I was pumped, then finding the maps I figured awesome now we've got the records, our ammunition of sorts --- well whoopie fuckin doo ---- except we've got no gun, so we're bringing ammo, yeah like 22 cal shorts, but no gun to a gun fight against Barrett 50 cals and M134 Mini-guns

Anyway, that's my take on 2477 and 2175, if I'm wrong please point me in the right direction.
At this point, we get as many as willing to make comments, we try to show reason for keeping the road open, we try to obtain Right of Ways and we lube up for what's coming.

I Emailed Paul Gosar during the "Cactus Plain" Closure time and got ZERO RESPONSE. We need everyone to e-mail Paul Gosar Now!!!!!! https://gosar.house.gov/contact/

 

[Havasteve]

Yep.
Also, there has been a western states archaeological growing flashpoint going on the last decade.
The BLM staffs a lot of archaeologist's and the agency manages millions of acres that contain countless sites. They like to use words like "anticipated" sites. It's all it takes to greatly restrict an area on public lands and the Colorado River wash area's have long been one of their archaeological districts. They can loosely use the Antiquities Act to move into an area under the guise of "objects of historic or scientific interest". That could mean anything.
And they're not exactly transparent with detailing out their agenda's other than creating public comment meetings so its no wonder why we want to know why some roads will remain open...and some connecting roads will not.
Always comes across as suspicious.
Not implying objects of historic or scientific interest are the reasons for this particular restriction.

Objects of historic or scientific interest is the beginning of making it what's called a "heratige site" A Heratige site is land that is set aside for world interest. It's owned and managed by the United Nations. If we ever go under martial law the blue helmets will guard and occupy the land to prevent US citizens from entering the land. It's all spelled out in the United Nations Agenda 21. The spacific time table for this is outlined in UN2030. Its all part of the one world government plan. Ever wonder what progressives are progressing to? It's all spelled out in writing. This BLM action is the beginning of the process.

 

[grumpy88]

There is obviously something more going on that we the sheep don't know about . I'm to old ,fat and lazy to hike 10 of hundreds of miles in to open desert to see historical sites . How ever, I along with friends have seen and learned about amazing people and places that are not along a paved road . None of my many experiences could of happened if it were not for ohv access . Never mind the amount of money we spend locally or in the small towns we pass through . To close access to the wilderness for ohv use would be devastating to my family and friends . I hope common sense prevails on these matters soon .

 

[MSum661]

Objects of historic or scientific interest is the beginning of making it what's called a "heratige site" A Heratige site is land that is set aside for world interest. It's owned and managed by the United Nations. If we ever go under martial law the blue helmets will guard and occupy the land to prevent US citizens from entering the land. It's all spelled out in the United Nations Agenda 21. The spacific time table for this is outlined in UN2030. Its all part of the one world government plan. Ever wonder what progressives are progressing to? It's all spelled out in writing. This BLM action is the beginning of the process.

Thank you for your effort of elaborating this message for anyone here who has any interest.
I was hoping someone would take the lead on this particular targeted angle in the hope some serious dialogue would follow.
People need to realize that the BLM is a 'Filing Agency". What that simply means is someone, or some entity has filed for this change.
That's why the serious hard core questions need to be asked before it becomes fully implemented.
They WILL NEVER volunteer to come right out and advertise the "WHO" or "WHY" behind the request(s).

Thanks again.

 

[Taboma]

The who at least one of the major Whoms, is the Sierra Club and various other wilderness preservation groups. Simply Google RS 2477 + Sierra Club, numerous hits come up for Utah, Colorado and other states where counties and states are trying to fight the feds under RS 2477 to get trails and roads re-opened and Sierra Club is boasting of being an intervening factor (Deep Pockets) in the legal fight against these counties and states.
In Colorado where the Federal Forest service relented and gave back various trails, now the Sierra Club is leading the fight in the courts to get them re-closed.

So Arizona passes HB 2175 to prevent the Feds from closing roads built before 1976 ---But, has AZ accomplished anything by it ?
Has AZ even used it to go up against the Feds yet ?
If so and I'm sure Gosar and other state representatives are aware of these numerous BLM Travel Management Planned closures (If not they're all stoned and a sleep at the wheel).
I've not read of a single case or article showing AZ stepping up and telling the BLM, Oh No You're Not closing that road.
BLM is still closing roads and trails, BLM documents basically proclaimed RS 2477 to be bullshit and that it only applies to Highways that have been used continuously for the previous ten years, not to jeep trails.
Utah is trying to fight the Feds under the same Fed and State statutes, and has years of cases backlogged and I think has won one.

So I too wonder what a letter complaining to Paul Gosar is going to accomplish.
What's the point of AZ even passing this legislation if it's doesn't have the spine to accomplish anything with it ?

Well, if you look to the motivation for AZ passing the legislation, it had nothing to do with keeping trails or mining roads open, it was to prevent major highways from being closed when Trump was threatening to close some National Parks with major arteries passing through them.

The BLM is going to do what they do while we kick and scream, but AZ is not going to intervene on our behalf.

 

[grumpy88]

The who at least one of the major Whoms, is the Sierra Club and various other wilderness preservation groups. Simply Google RS 2477 + Sierra Club, numerous hits come up for Utah, Colorado and other states where counties and states are trying to fight the feds under RS 2477 to get trails and roads re-opened and Sierra Club is boasting of being an intervening factor (Deep Pockets) in the legal fight against these counties and states.
In Colorado where the Federal Forest service relented and gave back various trails, now the Sierra Club is leading the fight in the courts to get them re-closed.

So Arizona passes HB 2175 to prevent the Feds from closing roads built before 1976 ---But, has AZ accomplished anything by it ?
Has AZ even used it to go up against the Feds yet ?
If so and I'm sure Gosar and other state representatives are aware of these numerous BLM Travel Management Planned closures (If not they're all stoned and a sleep at the wheel).
I've not read of a single case or article showing AZ stepping up and telling the BLM, Oh No You're Not closing that road.
BLM is still closing roads and trails, BLM documents basically proclaimed RS 2477 to be bullshit and that it only applies to Highways that have been used continuously for the previous ten years, not to jeep trails.
Utah is trying to fight the Feds under the same Fed and State statutes, and has years of cases backlogged and I think has won one.

So I too wonder what a letter complaining to Paul Gosar is going to accomplish.
What's the point of AZ even passing this legislation if it's doesn't have the spine to accomplish anything with it ?

Well, if you look to the motivation for AZ passing the legislation, it had nothing to do with keeping trails or mining roads open, it was to prevent major highways from being closed when Trump was threatening to close some National Parks with major arteries passing through them.

The BLM is going to do what they do while we kick and scream, but AZ is not going to intervene on our behalf.

So bottom line is elected representatives don't give a shit about there constituents? Shocking !