Any reason to get az Id?

[pkrrvr619]

So got a vacation home in havasu.

Any reason to get an Id?

Register my 03 diesel and delete emissions stuff?

Ca resident so guns seem out of bounds unless I keep them in az.

No tax advantage.

Or am I missing something?

 

[BHC Vic]

I get discounts places. Like I want to say my Davis camp pass but i feel like there’s others

 

[Tooms22]

1) Guns, the selection in free America is multiple times that of California
2) Guns, you can just drive into the desert and shoot
3) Use it when you don't feel like getting a shitty look from the bouncer or bartender in states that are not California

 

[Bpracing1127]

Assuming you register your boat in Az as a resident. Vs out of state. That a big cost savings.

Guns is a big one

Voting?

 

[mjc]

Ca says you can't buy certain guns does not say you can't have them. I took all mine back with me after I bought them.

 

[zhandfull]

Ca says you can't buy certain guns does not say you can't have them. I took all mine back with me after I bought them.

I have a second home in Havasu and AZ ID.
Was thinking about an Arizona CCW for hand gun purchases.

Then I read some past post from boat cop on the subject of residency and gun laws.

Decided it wasn’t worth giving up my limited gun rights I still have in CA.

Buying hand guns in AZ illegally while a California resident. Then possibly getting caught does not sound like a good time. The way I read it was, doesn’t matter if the hand gun stays in AZ or not. The only exception is if hand gun is approved on California roster.

Flame away

 

[240Hallett]

I have a second home in Havasu and AZ ID.
Was thinking about an Arizona CCW for hand gun purchases.

Then I read some past post from boat cop on the subject of residency and gun laws.

Decided it wasn’t worth giving up my limited gun rights I still have in CA.

Buying hand guns in AZ illegally while a California resident. Then possibly getting caught does not sound like a good time. The way I read it was, doesn’t matter if the hand gun stays in AZ or not. The only exception is if hand gun is approved on California roster.

Flame away

So is this a federal crime or a California crime?

 

[CoolCruzin]

Why not get one.
I feel mentally better . lol that means a lot .

I haven’t bought any gun related stuff in Calif for a long time .

 

[Tooms22]

I have a second home in Havasu and AZ ID.
Was thinking about an Arizona CCW for hand gun purchases.

Then I read some past post from boat cop on the subject of residency and gun laws.

Decided it wasn’t worth giving up my limited gun rights I still have in CA.

Buying hand guns in AZ illegally while a California resident. Then possibly getting caught does not sound like a good time. The way I read it was, doesn’t matter if the hand gun stays in AZ or not. The only exception is if hand gun is approved on California roster.

Flame away

Welp, then aaaaaaaaaa lot of FFLs are doing it wrong...

 

[pkrrvr619]

Assuming you register your boat in Az as a resident. Vs out of state. That a big cost savings.

Guns is a big one

Voting?

Ah the boat yeah that’s a good one I forgot about.

 

[pkrrvr619]

I have a second home in Havasu and AZ ID.
Was thinking about an Arizona CCW for hand gun purchases.

Then I read some past post from boat cop on the subject of residency and gun laws.

Decided it wasn’t worth giving up my limited gun rights I still have in CA.

Buying hand guns in AZ illegally while a California resident. Then possibly getting caught does not sound like a good time. The way I read it was, doesn’t matter if the hand gun stays in AZ or not. The only exception is if hand gun is approved on California roster.

Flame away

My understanding as well.

 

[BabyRay]

I have a second home in Havasu and AZ ID.
Was thinking about an Arizona CCW for hand gun purchases.

Then I read some past post from boat cop on the subject of residency and gun laws.

Decided it wasn’t worth giving up my limited gun rights I still have in CA.

Buying hand guns in AZ illegally while a California resident. Then possibly getting caught does not sound like a good time. The way I read it was, doesn’t matter if the hand gun stays in AZ or not. The only exception is if hand gun is approved on California roster.

Flame away

How in the world could anyone accept that they’re subject to California law while in another state? Talk about giving up your freedom! And I thought Washington gun laws sucked.

BTW, I don’t believe that would make it past the Supreme Court if it was challenged.

 

[FishSniper]

Don’t think you can register the boat as a resident with the ID believe it has at be an Arizona DL to be considered a resident.

 

[braindead]

Welp, then aaaaaaaaaa lot of FFLs are doing it wrong...

Care to elaborate for us

 

[Good Stuff]

I have a second home in Havasu and AZ ID.
Was thinking about an Arizona CCW for hand gun purchases.

Then I read some past post from boat cop on the subject of residency and gun laws.

Decided it wasn’t worth giving up my limited gun rights I still have in CA.

Buying hand guns in AZ illegally while a California resident. Then possibly getting caught does not sound like a good time. The way I read it was, doesn’t matter if the hand gun stays in AZ or not. The only exception is if hand gun is approved on California roster.

Flame away

Completely legal to purchase firearms in the state of your second home. Bought a pistol in AZ using my California drivers license and IRunGuns checked the box on the federal DOJ form indicating second home. Used the county tax roll to show/verify my LHC House. Decided I didn’t want to keep the gun at a vacation home and filed a “Rule of Law” transfer with CA DOJ to notify the state that I was in possession of the firearm and legally register it in my name in CA. Even called my Murrieta, CA FFL who told me he didn’t want to hold my gun and deal with the paperwork and told me what form to use on the CADOJ portal. The gun is now on my CA CCW permit after the county verifying that it was registered in CA in my name and qualifying at the range to add it. It’s really easy to follow the laws as long as you don’t get your information off forums…. Except in this case.

And my gun is not on the California “Roster” for purchase in the state.

Also no BS from IRunGuns trying to make me wait 10 days since I was a CA resident. I refuse to shop at gun stores that make up crap rather than just sticking to actual laws.

 

[Cdog]

Guns & we could use more conservative votes.

The other side doesn’t play by the rules so why should you?

 

[Good Stuff]

I got an AZ ID not DL when I registered my truck out there just because I was there and it was easy. With my CA DL being a real ID and still having CA for my passport I didn’t want anything weird going on. I still work in CA and also didn’t want any tax issues with AZ Residency etc so I just pay the non-resident registration fee. I would rather give AZ Game and Fish an extra $200 than give CA a dime for my boat registration.

 

[Rajobigguy]

Don’t think you can register the boat as a resident with the ID believe it has at be an Arizona DL to be considered a resident.

Not just that, you need proof of permanent residency.

 

[77charger]

I have a second home in Havasu and AZ ID.
Was thinking about an Arizona CCW for hand gun purchases.

Then I read some past post from boat cop on the subject of residency and gun laws.

Decided it wasn’t worth giving up my limited gun rights I still have in CA.

Buying hand guns in AZ illegally while a California resident. Then possibly getting caught does not sound like a good time. The way I read it was, doesn’t matter if the hand gun stays in AZ or not. The only exception is if hand gun is approved on California roster.

Flame away

Pretty much buy any gun use it in az. But come to ca it can get complicated on the federal level too.

The ok for ca can be brought back but still will need to go through an ffl.But any gun you buy in az is good to go if kept in az.

Ca doesn’t mess around with importing non roster approved handguns. Your better offf stealing a truck or car you’ll be out on no bail in couple hrs. Bring a gun across well it’s prison.

 

[CoolCruzin]

Hell I can’t remember what guns I bought where . If you own one easy

 

[hallett21]

Guns yes.

Boat? Our 90 vector costs $26 in CA lol. Not sure you can get cheaper?

 

[ChrisV]

I’m getting mine so I don’t get state reffed.

 

[FlyByWire]

Guns and boat reg are the big ones, depending on boat value it’s sometimes cheaper to keep it CA registered anyway.

Getting caught with non CA legal guns is a big no no.

 

[77charger]

Guns yes.

Boat? Our 90 vector costs $26 in CA lol. Not sure you can get cheaper?

Think the main advantage is the cost of luxury tax. IMO if boats under 25-30k purchase price definitely cheaper in ca. vs az non resident.

 

[Taboma]

Assuming you register your boat in Az as a resident. Vs out of state. That a big cost savings.

Guns is a big one

Voting?

Takes far more than an AZ ID and vacation home to satisfy the AZ resident status requirements. I made this mistake years ago thinking the same thing, then after a couple of years, got a letter to change it to non-resident, pay X-amount of dollars, or you will be facing charges for fraud.

 

[rivermobster]

Guns & we could use more conservative votes.

The other side doesn’t play by the rules so why should you?

End thread.

 

[Playpen]

about 20 something years ago, myself and all my friends had AZ ID cards so we could get into Kokomo‘s & Hussongs without waiting in line or paying a cover charge

 

[johnnyC]

Not just that, you need proof of permanent residency.

you can register it as a non resident

 

[rivermobster]

about 20 something years ago, myself and all my friends had AZ ID cards so we could get into Kokomo‘s & Hussongs without waiting in line or paying a cover charge

This thread just took a positive turn!

 

[zhandfull]

Here’s the link to BoatCop post that really opened my eyes regarding out of state gun purchases. The last paragraph referencing the ATF form is where I think someone can get F’d up unless your last name is Biden.

Armed on the river

Could you explain to me the difference in a Non resident AZ. CCW permit and a resident AZ.CCW. I have a Ca. CCW and a AZ. CCW. I have homes in both states, would they both be considered resident CCW's?? No. You can only be only a resident of one State. Just because someone has a vacation or...

www.riverdavesplace.com

 

[gqchris]

Don’t think you can register the boat as a resident with the ID believe it has at be an Arizona DL to be considered a resident.

Correct and you have to live here 6 months before you can renew as a resident. They were very adamant about it also as I moved here but havent lived 6 months yet.

 

[77charger]

Correct and you have to live here 6 months before you can renew as a resident. They were very adamant about it also as I moved here but havent lived 6 months yet.

Went through same thing lol. I think at time I still had 1.5 years left on my ca tags so just used it til then. Made a trip to fish game and transfer then.

 

[pkrrvr619]

Pretty much buy any gun use it in az. But come to ca it can get complicated on the federal level too.

The ok for ca can be brought back but still will need to go through an ffl.But any gun you buy in az is good to go if kept in az.

Ca doesn’t mess around with importing non roster approved handguns. Your better offf stealing a truck or car you’ll be out on no bail in couple hrs. Bring a gun across well it’s prison.

The only time I know someone whom pulled this off was an interfamilial transfer. A father bought a son a gun but passed away. There was a ca form called voluntary registration that outlined the process.

 

[Rajobigguy]

you can register it as a non resident

Yes but you won’t get the resident price.

 

[Bajap1]

I have a second home in Havasu and AZ ID.
Was thinking about an Arizona CCW for hand gun purchases.

Then I read some past post from boat cop on the subject of residency and gun laws.

Decided it wasn’t worth giving up my limited gun rights I still have in CA.

Buying hand guns in AZ illegally while a California resident. Then possibly getting caught does not sound like a good time. The way I read it was, doesn’t matter if the hand gun stays in AZ or not. The only exception is if hand gun is approved on California roster.

Flame away

If you have your ccw in CA you can also get one in AZ without being a resident

 

[Bajap1]

If you have your ccw in CA you can also get one in AZ without being a resident

Also by getting the AZ CCW it allows you to carry in additional states that do not have honor the CA CCW...with that said CA does not allow CCW from any other states...smh

 

[77charger]

The only time I know someone whom pulled this off was an interfamilial transfer. A father bought a son a gun but passed away. There was a ca form called voluntary registration that outlined the process.

Yes can go up down family transfer. Kid to parent,parent to son.

 

[zhandfull]

So is this a federal crime or a California crime?

I will quote what BoatCop posted a few years ago
“ Falsely claiming Arizona residency to purchase a firearm (remember that pesky ATF Form 4473?) is a State and Federal Felony.”
A convicted felon will not be able to own a gun anywhere legally.

 

[Bajap1]

Also by getting the AZ CCW it allows you to carry in additional states that do not have honor the CA CCW...with that said CA does not allow CCW from any other states...smh

ccw reciprocity...could not think of the word earlier

 

[BoatCop]

A note on the ID.

AZ IDs aren't just for non-residents. They are also used and accepted for identification of AZ in-state residents. Arizona resident people who cannot get an AZ Drivers License (Suspended, Revoked, DUIs, Unqualified due to age, age related diseases [Dementia, Alzheimer, mental deficient, or vision issues]) can use the standard AZ ID card for anything that the Drivers License is used for, EXCEPT Driving, Voting, and Federal (Real ID) situations. However, there is a Real ID compliant AZ ID card available, (Legal AZ Residents only) but those need a bunch of back-up documents, before one can be issued.

 

[PlanB]

I will quote what BoatCop posted a few years ago
“ Falsely claiming Arizona residency to purchase a firearm (remember that pesky ATF Form 4473?) is a State and Federal Felony.”
A convicted felon will not be able to own a gun anywhere legally.

True but if you own a "Home" in Arizona you can legally buy a firearm in Arizona when you are present in the state. This is per the ATF. If you truly own a second "Home" (not rental, investment property etc...), you can legally buy firearms in that state when present. Don't bring your AZ bought guns into California though.

What constitutes residency in a state?​

For Gun Control Act (GCA) purposes, a person is a resident of a state in which he or she is present with the intention of making a home in that state. The state of residence for a corporation or other business entity is the state where it maintains a place of business.

[18 U.S.C. 921(b), 922(a)(3), and 922(b)(3); 27 CFR 478.11]

What constitutes residency in a state? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

For Gun Control Act (GCA) purposes, a person is a resident of a state in which he or she is present with the intention of making a home in that state. The state of residence for a corporation or other business entity is the state where it maintains a place of business. A member of the Armed...

www.atf.gov

 

[dmh]

I have a second home in Havasu and AZ ID.
Was thinking about an Arizona CCW for hand gun purchases.

Then I read some past post from boat cop on the subject of residency and gun laws.

Decided it wasn’t worth giving up my limited gun rights I still have in CA.

Buying hand guns in AZ illegally while a California resident. Then possibly getting caught does not sound like a good time. The way I read it was, doesn’t matter if the hand gun stays in AZ or not. The only exception is if hand gun is approved on California roster.

Flame away

OOOOH MY!!!!!!

 

[Smupser]

I have a second home in Havasu and AZ ID.
Was thinking about an Arizona CCW for hand gun purchases.

Then I read some past post from boat cop on the subject of residency and gun laws.

Decided it wasn’t worth giving up my limited gun rights I still have in CA.

Buying hand guns in AZ illegally while a California resident. Then possibly getting caught does not sound like a good time. The way I read it was, doesn’t matter if the hand gun stays in AZ or not. The only exception is if hand gun is approved on California roster.

Flame away

It’s much more convoluted.

having a resident ID and legally purchasing firearms in that state of issue is perfectly legal. where it gets tricky is when you take those firearms into another state where they are prohibited. side note: when it comes to pistols, the California roster only prohibits NEW sales of non-roster pistols without state mandated features, so it’s perfectly legal to bring lawfully owned non rostered pistols lawfully acquired from other states. You can lawfully purchase a non rostered pistol in CA as long as it’s “used”. what you really have to watch out for are rifles that you aquire in free states like AZ that fall under CA assault weapons definitions or rifles that are on the robberti-roos ban list.

 

[77charger]

It’s much more convoluted.

having a resident ID and legally purchasing firearms in that state of issue is perfectly legal. where it gets tricky is when you take those firearms into another state where they are prohibited. side note: when it comes to pistols, the California roster only prohibits new sales of non-roster pistols without state mandated features, so it’s perfectly legal to bring lawfully owned non rostered pistols lawfully acquired from other states. what you really have to watch out for are rifles that you aquire in free states like AZ that fall under CA assault weapons definitions or rifles that are on the robberti-roos ban list.

But the big thing is if you are a ca resident with a second home in az.ca still considers you a ca resident therefore cannot bring that non roster handgun back to ca legally.

Ca is still your primary residence if you have a lic there,own a home there,vote etc.

Now if you cut all ties off turned in ca lic moved to az live there for say 6 months and decide to move back then you can import that off roster handgun.

The rest of guns like on roster or rifles you bought in az with an Id can be brought back to ca if they are ca compliant made featureless and capacity reduced to ten rounds and sent to a ca ffl they can be imported. But like I said in other post if bought with az Id can be used all you want in az or other states this is a gca of 68 fed law.

 

[Smupser]

But the big thing is if you are a ca resident with a second home in az.ca still considers you a ca resident therefore cannot bring that non roster handgun back to ca legally.

Ca is still your primary residence if you have a lic there,own a home there,vote etc.

Now if you cut all ties off turned in ca lic moved to az live there for say 6 months and decide to move back then you can import that off roster handgun.

The rest of guns like on roster or rifles you bought in az with an Id can be brought back to ca if they are ca compliant made featureless and capacity reduced tmmm

But the big thing is if you are a ca resident with a second home in az.ca still considers you a ca resident therefore cannot bring that non roster handgun back to ca legally.

Ca is still your primary residence if you have a lic there,own a home there,vote etc.

Now if you cut all ties off turned in ca lic moved to az live there for say 6 months and decide to move back then you can import that off roster handgun.

The rest of guns like on roster or rifles you bought in az with an Id can be brought back to ca if they are ca compliant made featureless and capacity reduced to ten rounds and sent to a ca ffl they can be imported. But like I said in other post if bought with az Id can be used all you want in az or other states this is a gca of 68 fed law.

Yes you can. You’re confusing acquisition with legality of possession

again the roster only prohibits sales of NEW non rostered pistols without state mandated feature. if you go on gun broker right now you can buy a “used” non rostered pistol and have it shipped to a CA FFL . It’s done all the time.
as far as the rifles and assault weapon, you can configure them to non-assault weapons status as long as they are not “listed”

CA assault weapons bans and laws go back to the late 80’s. So they’re lists of certain types of rifles you cannot own regardless of configuration

 

[77charger]

Yes you can. You’re confusing acquisition with legality of possession

again the roster only prohibits sales of NEW non rostered pistols without state mandated feature. if you go on gun broker right now you can buy a “used” non rostered pistol and have it shipped to a CA FFL . It’s done all the time.
as far as the rifles and assault weapon, you can configure them to non-assault weapons status as long as they are not “listed”

CA assault weapons bans and laws go back to the late 80’s. So they’re lists of certain types of rifles you cannot own regardless of configuration

You cannot import a non roster handgun from out of state if you are a ca resident if so many would be doing it vs paying 1500 for a sig 365 in ca moths ago.An ffl will not transfer an out of state purchase unless they are clueless.

However if the non roster gun is already legally owned in ca it can be transferred in state there are ways those get into ca.One is roster exempt person who buys one and decides to later sell it.Or a family transfer from parent to child or child to parent from out of state.Or if you are a resident of another state like az nevada etc and you have to or choose move to ca you can then import your non roster guns provided they are ca compliant with barrels capacity etc but will need to fill out an importation form and no ffl needed just fill and pay

PPT of handguns are exempt from needing to be listed on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale. [PC 32110(a)]
A PPT is a private party transfer between CA residents that meet at a CA FFL dealer, who facilitates the transfer.
~If the firearm is shipped, then it is not a PPT and considered a type of dealer transfer.
~If one of the parties involved in the transfer is a non-resident of CA, then it is not a PPT and considered a type of dealer transfer.

CA laws requires a CA resident to utilize a CA FFL dealer to legally import a firearm that they acquire in another State into CA. [PC 27585(a)]

Failure to utilize a CA FFL dealer equates to a misdemeanor per long gun [PC 27590(a)] and a felony per handgun [PC 27590(c)(7)]

Handguns imported into CA by a CA resident must be listed on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale or be exempt from it.


Now give me the law that backs your claim because you are way off.When you buy a gun on gun broker it has to go to an ffl that is now a dealer transfer wheter the gun is new or used.

 

[Doc]

You cannot import a non roster handgun from out of state if you are a ca resident if so many would be doing it vs paying 1500 for a sig 365 in ca moths ago.An ffl will not transfer an out of state purchase unless they are clueless.

However if the non roster gun is already legally owned in ca it can be transferred in state there are ways those get into ca.One is roster exempt person who buys one and decides to later sell it.Or a family transfer from parent to child or child to parent from out of state.Or if you are a resident of another state like az nevada etc and you have to or choose move to ca you can then import your non roster guns provided they are ca compliant with barrels capacity etc but will need to fill out an importation form and no ffl needed just fill and pay

PPT of handguns are exempt from needing to be listed on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale. [PC 32110(a)]
A PPT is a private party transfer between CA residents that meet at a CA FFL dealer, who facilitates the transfer.
~If the firearm is shipped, then it is not a PPT and considered a type of dealer transfer.
~If one of the parties involved in the transfer is a non-resident of CA, then it is not a PPT and considered a type of dealer transfer.

CA laws requires a CA resident to utilize a CA FFL dealer to legally import a firearm that they acquire in another State into CA. [PC 27585(a)]

Failure to utilize a CA FFL dealer equates to a misdemeanor per long gun [PC 27590(a)] and a felony per handgun [PC 27590(c)(7)]

Handguns imported into CA by a CA resident must be listed on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale or be exempt from it.


Now give me the law that backs your claim because you are way off.When you buy a gun on gun broker it has to go to an ffl that is now a dealer transfer wheter the gun is new or used.

That's the way I thought it was also. That's why when you see online sales for off roaster pistols usually in the description it will tell you they won't ship to certain states usually CA is on that list. Now if there is a off roaster gun for sale that is owned legally in Ca you can purchase it legally then unless I am wrong.

GoodStuff's post #15 sounds legit and want to look into that for maybe the future.

 

[Smupser]

You cannot import a non roster handgun from out of state if you are a ca resident if so many would be doing it vs paying 1500 for a sig 365 in ca moths ago.An ffl will not transfer an out of state purchase unless they are clueless.

However if the non roster gun is already legally owned in ca it can be transferred in state there are ways those get into ca.One is roster exempt person who buys one and decides to later sell it.Or a family transfer from parent to child or child to parent from out of state.Or if you are a resident of another state like az nevada etc and you have to or choose move to ca you can then import your non roster guns provided they are ca compliant with barrels capacity etc but will need to fill out an importation form and no ffl needed just fill and pay

PPT of handguns are exempt from needing to be listed on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale. [PC 32110(a)]
A PPT is a private party transfer between CA residents that meet at a CA FFL dealer, who facilitates the transfer.
~If the firearm is shipped, then it is not a PPT and considered a type of dealer transfer.
~If one of the parties involved in the transfer is a non-resident of CA, then it is not a PPT and considered a type of dealer transfer.

CA laws requires a CA resident to utilize a CA FFL dealer to legally import a firearm that they acquire in another State into CA. [PC 27585(a)]

Failure to utilize a CA FFL dealer equates to a misdemeanor per long gun [PC 27590(a)] and a felony per handgun [PC 27590(c)(7)]

Handguns imported into CA by a CA resident must be listed on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale or be exempt from it.


Now give me the law that backs your claim because you are way off.When you buy a gun on gun broker it has to go to an ffl that is now a dealer transfer wheter the gun is new or used.

Did you not read what I posted?

 

[Finally made it]

Don’t think you can register the boat as a resident with the ID believe it has at be an Arizona DL to be considered a resident.

And have a license for 6 months to be considered a resident to register a boat.

 

[angiebaby]

Life seems very complicated for you Californians.