AirBNB people are crap

[mbrown2]

IDK I can think of 100 other reasons for society going to shit. This conversation isn't one of them. I'm not sure I would have reacted much differently than he did. You seem to be the aggressor in my opinion. I would have canceled it after the first time he neglected to and paid the fee, but that's just me.

Same.....I read it and felt it was way cringy.... yeah, YOU might think you were asking for a favor to avoid paying $279, but to him he is getting asked to lie and cancel so you don't have to pay 279. If you were planning to use it; you should have blocked it and that's on you and it costs you $279....probably won't forget next time. Sorry if that comes off harsh....but that back/forth was odd and I would have said you want to cancel; you cancel period....no other backstory or excuse needed.

 

[lakemadness]

Could the customer have done you a favor and canceled, yeah, sure. I dont necessarily blame you for asking.

Now, if you can't plan out when you want access to your home then dont leave the schedule open that far out. It's a business manage it as so. If it's not a business then dont AirBnB it. You're sure as shit not doing anyone a favor by renting it out, market is saturated, you said it yourself.

It's not your customers' problem, or anyone's problem that you have 5 kids, and cannot plan or manage the schedule responsibly and cry that $279 goes a long way. It's actually bullshit, you have a vacation home, $279 shouldn't mean as much as you are acting like it does.

Once he says he's not going to cancel it, cancel him and move on man, dont blame others for your choices... Don't look like a beggar on the street who walks around the corner and drives off in a nice ride.

 

[OldSchoolBoats]

Absolutely, we plan our river and other trips out in advance, usually about a year because we want to be able to coordinate with our families and friends, and everyone has busy lives. Plans change, of course, But it provides a good baseline for everyone. (before anyone says, we are doing the same thing by changing plans, these are our own places and not affecting anyone else)

To each their own, but if I planned a 45 day trip out and had it all scheduled and someone effectively changed their mind on the other side and blew up all my planning I’d be super disappointed. It’s just a matter of perspective, but I feel like you take that burden on when you list your house on there. What if they had multiple homes rented on that street For other families? Events scheduled around that location, etc?

That's awesome you are able to do that. I can't even plan for 30 days out, but maybe that will change when we get older and our business is more established.

Kinda funny you keep saying you're anti AirBNB but you literally have the AirBNB link on you personal Facebook page.
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That's just so people can see what it looks like man, I book owner direct from anyone that inquires with me. I am disgruntled with AirBNB right now because of the fee to cancel, 6 months out. I don't think it's right for them to screw owners like that.

 

[Deckin Around]

A cancellation is always an understood risk for both owner and renter but imo this was a Whiny Dick way to handle an already shitty situation for the renter. We stopped renting our place in parker because of the hassle.

1. He has to spend time to research and select another house with their requirements. Things like bunk beds don’t work for elderly, some want garage parking and similar needs etc. This probably involves more wife communication hassle.
2. He has to cancel online and deal with questions and bs
3. He possibly has to wait for a refund before booking another.

I’d be . The cancellation is the risk I took but my time isn’t free to do more work just so you save $200. Why? because “I work hard for my money, have kids, blah blah blah also”

 

[OldSchoolBoats]

Joe, blink twice if you want me to delete this thread

No need to dirty delete, I made the post and people are entitled to their opinion. Some understand and some don't. Some agree, some don't. Some own rental properties, some don't, some expect more from others, some don't.

Cost of doing business

 

[Big B Hova]

Joe is your airbnb on instant book or do you have to approve each booking?

 

[EarpRider]

No need to dirty delete, I made the post and people are entitled to their opinion. Some understand and some don't. Some agree, some don't. Some own rental properties, some don't, some expect more from others, some don't.

Cost of doing business

Yup - cost of doing business, you should have paid the $279.
Change the title of this thread to AirBNB "Owners" are crap and cheap.

 

[DLC]

Holly Cow Batman !

This thread will get 8 pages before lunch…..


Joe - I still owe ya some beer for helping me out - When I was in the Hot Zone !

Ill be out this weekend if your available!

 

[pixrthis]

No need to dirty delete, I made the post and people are entitled to their opinion. Some understand and some don't. Some agree, some don't. Some own rental properties, some don't, some expect more from others, some don't.

Cost of doing business

I wish my friends and family that are Democrats felt this way. It’s so much healthier.

 

[OldSchoolBoats]

Holly Cow Batman !

This thread will get 8 pages before lunch…..


Joe - I still owe ya some beer for helping me out - When I was in the Hot Zone !

Ill be out this weekend if your available!

Thanks brother, was actually in your area yesterday!

We won't be out this weekend, rented the house to my buddy Jorge.

 

[oldman]

Honest question, did your whole summer plans change, or just a weekend in the middle of this guys stay.
Do you have plans to be there multiple weekends?

For the money, you could stay somewhere else and let him have his vacation.

And yes this may have been mentioned.

 

[OldSchoolBoats]

Joe is your airbnb on instant book or do you have to approve each booking?

Approve. If it is an AirBNB inquiry I profile the crap out of them before committing to a rental.

 

[lakemadness]

Approve. If it is an AirBNB inquiry I profile the crap out of them before committing to a rental.

So you approved these people, then canceled? That's not right and you have no grounds to ask them to cancel to save you $279. WOW.

 

[whiteworks]

Fuck renters

 

[DWC]

Holly Cow Batman !

This thread will get 8 pages before lunch…..


Joe - I still owe ya some beer for helping me out - When I was in the Hot Zone !

Ill be out this weekend if your available!

I’ll take the beer and give it to him.

 

[OldSchoolBoats]

So you approved these people, then canceled? That's not right and you have no grounds to ask them to cancel to save you $279. WOW.

I think if you managed your own house on AirBNB, you might think differently.

 

[RiverDave]

I just want to offer some different perspectives here..

I think the premise that the old timer is the problem is absolutely crazy.. as others have said.

You cancelled the contract you should pay the cancellation fee.. it’s there for a reason. More to the point if this guy is willing to long term rent like that I think I would have told him “I am really sorry for the inconvenience this year but I will make it worth your while to book next year!” To try and preserve the customer?

Which then takes us into the I rent the house as a courtesy bullshit.. what are ya sharing the havasu experience to the poor souls that don’t get it often? No.. it’s rented as a source of income to offset or even profit off owning the property as a whole? There’s nothing charitable about this?

Now I want to dive into some other stuff that I see often (not only with Joe). The fees are absolutely ridiculous!!! Book privately to save on fees!!

The fees aren’t ridiculous.. that’s the price of marketing and insurance.. those guys pioneered and built a system from scratch (not cheap or easy) that allows you to market your property to clients literally all over the world. Do they not deserve to get paid for that effort?

If the fees are too much, then use another system. To get business from those systems and then work deals on the side though never sits right with me.. and yes I know everyone does it.

Moving forward we get to the part where it’s been booked through Airbnb less than the amount of times that can be counted on one hand.

Well that pretty much leaves Vrbo, rdp, and personal social network.

Somewhere in the middle of that shitstorm of being attacked by rdp members the rope a dope defense came out that rdp members are mostly renting the house….

But then I think back to the “who gives a shit about a billion dollar company” comment.. and I wonder at what level of success do we care or not care? Because the compassion for a fellow man and I got kids speech is tuggin at my heart strings..

then I realize I got kids and I’m not a billionaire.. and I’m responsible for a considerable amount of not a majority of bookings.. and I never even got a thank you let alone compensation or gifts out of it..

So I’m wondering is my letting this shit on here creating a sense of entitlement? Creating a socialist or even possibly a communist ideology of anti capitalism? Deterring entrepreneurship because everything should be free?

Then to take it a step further to get upset that the guy wouldn’t lie and be mad about the cancellation fee..

At this point we are on two different planets on the logic train. That is past even the communist concept.. now we are angry at a guy because you changed the terms and he wouldn’t lie? That’s not even commie, that’s straight entitled?? Beyond??

Whole thing is crazy.

To add to that you are in the mortgage industry? It’s not like you aren’t familiar with contracts and changes etc? Penalties etc?

RD

 

[DILLIGAF]

These call out threads never quite go the way the OP thinks they are going to go....lol

Never fails

 

[lakemadness]

I think if you managed your own house on AirBNB, you might think differently.

I would not think differently, I own several rentals.

 

[Romans9]

Man its ok to fuck up and post about it.

No big harm.

Just suck it up, man up and do better next time that’s the difference between boys and men.

 

[clarence]

The renter can cancel for free, fucking the owner out of rent but the owner can't cancel for free to use his own house.

Two can hedge.

 

[RiverDave]

These call out threads never quite go the way the OP thinks they are going to go....lol

Never fails

Well if there was any.. I mean even a shred of being in the right maybe it would go differently?

This is crazy town..

RD

 

[Romans9]

I just want to offer some different perspectives here..

I think the premise that the old timer is the problem is absolutely crazy.. as others have said.

You cancelled the contract you should pay the cancellation fee.. it’s there for a reason. More to the point if this guy is willing to long term rent like that I think I would have told him “I am really sorry for the inconvenience this year but I will make it worth your while to book next year!” To try and preserve the customer?

Which then takes us into the I rent the house as a courtesy bullshit.. what are ya sharing the havasu experience to the poor souls that don’t get it often? No.. it’s rented as a source of income to offset or even profit off owning the property as a whole? There’s nothing charitable about this?

Now I want to dive into some other stuff that I see often (not only with Joe). The fees are absolutely ridiculous!!! Book privately to save on fees!!

The fees aren’t ridiculous.. that’s the price of marketing and insurance.. those guys pioneered and built a system from scratch (not cheap or easy) that allows you to market your property to clients literally all over the world. Do they not deserve to get paid for that effort?

If the fees are too much, then use another system. To get business from those systems and then work deals on the side though never sits right with me.. and yes I know everyone does it.

Moving forward we get to the part where it’s been booked through Airbnb less than the amount of times that can be counted on one hand.

Well that pretty much leaves Vrbo, rdp, and personal social network.

Somewhere in the middle of that shitstorm of being attacked by rdp members the rope a dope defense came out that rdp members are mostly renting the house….

But then I think back to the “who gives a shit about a billion dollar company” comment.. and I wonder at what level of success do we care or not care? Because the compassion for a fellow man and I got kids speech is tuggin at my heart strings..

then I realize I got kids and I’m not a billionaire.. and I’m responsible for a considerable amount of not a majority of bookings.. and I never even got a thank you let alone compensation or gifts out of it..

So I’m wondering is my letting this shit on here creating a sense of entitlement? Creating a socialist or even possibly a communist ideology of anti capitalism? Deterring entrepreneurship because everything should be free?

Then to take it a step further to get upset that the guy wouldn’t lie and be mad about the cancellation fee..

At this point we are on two different planets on the logic train. That is past even the communist concept.. now we are angry at a guy because you changed the terms and he wouldn’t lie? That’s not even commie, that’s straight entitled?? Beyond??

Whole thing is crazy.

To add to that you are in the mortgage industry? It’s not like you aren’t familiar with contracts and changes etc? Penalties etc?

RD

This post is about as spot on as you can get with every base covered.

 

[checkrdpast]

Buy a place you can afford, and use whenever you want, and don't impact your neighbors with renters.

Exactly, We have 3 homes Anaheim hills, Palm Desert and Havasu.. The 1st thing people always ask is if we rent it out. heck no, Its our home to use and not rent to strangers. i guess we're the odd ones.

 

[D19]

You plan your life out a year in advance? That's kind of an unreasonable ask for anyone.

It’s really not that difficult. Costs about $20 a year at Staples and a little bit of discipline. Use a pencil and accept whatever ramifications arise from your decisions to use the eraser.

 

[PRIMO]

Lake Havasu is One Giant Air BNB / In the winter the Snowbirds Overwhelm the infrastructure and leave their 50 cent tips on Taco Tuesday / My Heart Bleeds for Minnesota where I will be spending my Summers Driving on the Wrong Side of the Road , blowing through stop signs and grabbing all the canned corn for 33 cents at the local
Market !

 

[pull-on]

Somewhere in the middle of that shitstorm of being attacked by rdp members the rope a dope defense came out that rdp members are mostly renting the house….

But then I think back to the “who gives a shit about a billion dollar company” comment.. and I wonder at what level of success do we care or not care? Because the compassion for a fellow man and I got kids speech is tuggin at my heart strings..

then I realize I got kids and I’m not a billionaire.. and I’m responsible for a considerable amount of not a majority of bookings.. and I never even got a thank you let alone compensation or gifts out of it..

So I’m wondering is my letting this shit on here creating a sense of entitlement? Creating a socialist or even possibly a communist ideology of anti capitalism? Deterring entrepreneurship because everything should be free?



RD

There you have it folks, it's settled. This is all @RiverDave 's fault.

Carry on

 

[RiverDave]

Lake Havasu is One Giant Air BNB / In the winter the Snowbirds Overwhelm the infrastructure and leave their 50 cent tips on Taco Tuesday / My Heart Bleeds for Minnesota where I will be spending my Summers Driving on the Wrong Side of the Road , blowing through stop signs and grabbing all the canned corn for 33 cents at the local
Market !

Airbnb is slowing down out here compared to what it was.. what it was is insanity

 

[DLC]

I’ll take the beer and give it to him.

Are you out, this weekend?

What about Crazy Tim - @HNL2LHC

we need to grab a mud shark….
or a
College Street
or a
Blue Chair….

at the very least a Coldie

LOL

 

[RiverDave]

There you have it folks, it's settled. This is all @RiverDave 's fault.

Carry on

I mean god damn!

RD

 

[clarence]

This post is about as spot on as you can get with every base covered.

Missed only the fuckery of accepting the booking as a hedge.

That way lies everyone hedging.

 

[Your ad here]

I just want to offer some different perspectives here..

I think the premise that the old timer is the problem is absolutely crazy.. as others have said.

You cancelled the contract you should pay the cancellation fee.. it’s there for a reason. More to the point if this guy is willing to long term rent like that I think I would have told him “I am really sorry for the inconvenience this year but I will make it worth your while to book next year!” To try and preserve the customer?

Which then takes us into the I rent the house as a courtesy bullshit.. what are ya sharing the havasu experience to the poor souls that don’t get it often? No.. it’s rented as a source of income to offset or even profit off owning the property as a whole? There’s nothing charitable about this?

Now I want to dive into some other stuff that I see often (not only with Joe). The fees are absolutely ridiculous!!! Book privately to save on fees!!

The fees aren’t ridiculous.. that’s the price of marketing and insurance.. those guys pioneered and built a system from scratch (not cheap or easy) that allows you to market your property to clients literally all over the world. Do they not deserve to get paid for that effort?

If the fees are too much, then use another system. To get business from those systems and then work deals on the side though never sits right with me.. and yes I know everyone does it.

Moving forward we get to the part where it’s been booked through Airbnb less than the amount of times that can be counted on one hand.

Well that pretty much leaves Vrbo, rdp, and personal social network.

Somewhere in the middle of that shitstorm of being attacked by rdp members the rope a dope defense came out that rdp members are mostly renting the house….

But then I think back to the “who gives a shit about a billion dollar company” comment.. and I wonder at what level of success do we care or not care? Because the compassion for a fellow man and I got kids speech is tuggin at my heart strings..

then I realize I got kids and I’m not a billionaire.. and I’m responsible for a considerable amount of not a majority of bookings.. and I never even got a thank you let alone compensation or gifts out of it..

So I’m wondering is my letting this shit on here creating a sense of entitlement? Creating a socialist or even possibly a communist ideology of anti capitalism? Deterring entrepreneurship because everything should be free?

Then to take it a step further to get upset that the guy wouldn’t lie and be mad about the cancellation fee..

At this point we are on two different planets on the logic train. That is past even the communist concept.. now we are angry at a guy because you changed the terms and he wouldn’t lie? That’s not even commie, that’s straight entitled?? Beyond??

Whole thing is crazy.

To add to that you are in the mortgage industry? It’s not like you aren’t familiar with contracts and changes etc? Penalties etc?

RD

I only know OBS from his post here. This doesn't seem like him so I checked the date to see if it was April 1st. It isnt and the more he replies the worse it gets.

 

[DWC]

Are you out, this weekend?

What about Crazy Tim - @HNL2LHC

we need to grab a mud shark….
or a
College Street
or a
Blue Chair….

at the very least a Coldie

LOL

Yep, in town Friday afternoon thru Tuesday morning. Good for all of the above.

 

[DLC]

Does this mean that Inmate Dues are going Up Again?

 

[DLC]

Yep, in town Friday afternoon thru Tuesday morning. Good for all of the above.

I’m out Thursday - Monday

 

[TimeBandit]

So if you rent it out to a RDP'r the new "fee" is a 30 pack dropped off at RD's shop.

fair is fair.

 

[RiverDave]

So if you rent it out to a RDP'r the new "fee" is a 30 pack dropped off at RD's shop.

fair is fair.

I’d die from alcohol poisoning.. lol There’s a ton of guys on here that primarily rent to other rdp members..

Shit when we had the house in the keys we primarily rented to rdp members.

I have been thinking about this, this morning though and I have come up with something free that will make it a little more palatable.

RD

 

[4Waters]

Two can hedge.

I'm not saying the OP handled it correctly, I just hate that the renter can agree to a contract and get out of it free but the property owner can't, that's ridiculous.

 

[RiverDave]

I'm not saying the OP handled it correctly, I just hate that the renter can agree to a contract and get out of it free but the property owner can't, that's ridiculous.

I don’t believe they do get out of it free?

 

[OldSchoolBoats]

then I realize I got kids and I’m not a billionaire.. and I’m responsible for a considerable amount of not a majority of bookings.. and I never even got a thank you let alone compensation or gifts out of it..

Dave, I used you guys to buy the house. I think you even got to double end it?

And

I will use you again if we ever sell.


Seems like that is some pretty good compensation, don't you think??

I was riled up yesterday because of other shit and maybe I took it out on this guy and took it too far...........maybe. That doesn't make me entitled or a communist or whatever. I am just a human and was trying to work out something with this guy. The more unwilling he was to work with me, the more irked I became and instead of just blowing up the whole thing, cancelling and eating the fee, I continued to engage him.

 

[USCFAN]

When I opened this thread and starting reading, I said to myself this definitely won’t go the way OP hoped. Bring out the pitchforks!! LOL

Not that my opinion matters But as I read it felt it was a bit cringy at best asking this renter to feel sorry for you and 5 kids when you are part of the 1% fortunate enough to even own a vacation home.

 

[4Waters]

I don’t believe they do get out of it free?

He could in this situation but OSB couldn't, if the property owner has to pay a cancelation fee the the renter should have to pay the same fee

 

[El Rojo]

Dave, I used you guys to buy the house. I think you even got to double end it?

And

I will use you again if we ever sell.


Seems like that is some pretty good compensation, don't you think??

I was riled up yesterday because of other shit and maybe I took it out on this guy and took it too far...........maybe. That doesn't make me entitled or a communist or whatever. I am just a human and was trying to work out something with this guy. The more unwilling he was to work with me, the more irked I became and instead of just blowing up the whole thing, cancelling and eating the fee, I continued to engage him.

Why to you feel he needs to “work” with you? You made an agreement, and then backed out of it. How was he supposed to feel? Was he supposed to keep “working” with you after that?

 

[GOTTBoat]

If I was the renter I would have only given YOU the option to cancel the contract and while you were stewing on it I would find another rental and move on with my plans. If you cancel you eat the fee, If you didn't cancel, the last day I could cancel without penalty I would as I already secured another rental. It became a game, learn to play it.

 

[El Rojo]

When I opened this thread and starting reading, I said to myself this definitely won’t go the way OP hoped. Bring out the pitchforks!! LOL

Not that my opinion matters But as I read it felt it was a bit cringy at best asking this renter to feel sorry for you and 5 kids when you are part of the 1% fortunate enough to even own a vacation home.

Nothing is worse than the cringey whiney rich lol…

 

[USCFAN]

Dave, I used you guys to buy the house. I think you even got to double end it?

And

I will use you again if we ever sell.


Seems like that is some pretty good compensation, don't you think??

I was riled up yesterday because of other shit and maybe I took it out on this guy and took it too far...........maybe. That doesn't make me entitled or a communist or whatever. I am just a human and was trying to work out something with this guy. The more unwilling he was to work with me, the more irked I became and instead of just blowing up the whole thing, cancelling and eating the fee, I continued to engage him.

Before the HNIC goes all bat shit crazy on you. Let me ask a question. When you take you vehicle in to get serviced and they perform multiple services, do you say hey you got paid good for changing my oil, You should give me new tires for free? Doesn’t really work that way. They performed a service and got paid for that whatever it was. Do you know get free services for the rest of time because in your opinion “they got compensated fairly?“ on previous transaction? Seems a little irrational.

 

[OldSchoolBoats]

I thought this the whole way through my friend. This guy who is very used to financial success with money lending had to change focus into a business that will screw you every way they can before the check shows up if never. I have a retained an attorney several times to go after HOA's that cant find their check pen. All the profit gone to someone else. I refuse insurance work these days.

The fact that you were chasing the $279 was the clue because I know First Hand eating in Proud Mary's in Dana Pt. that morning how gracious you were to all of us there.

Better days ahead...I tell myself that every morning.

Thank you Dave, it was definitely one of those days yesterday. Today much better. Off to get my van serviced and hit taco Tuesday while I wait. Might have a Cadillac or 3, then come back in here and talk crap to @RiverDave for calling me a communist

 

[clarence]

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Actions we take may include providing information to Hosts about this policy and issuing warnings. When repeated or severe violations of these ground rules are reported, Hosts or their listings may be suspended or removed from the platform.

Depending on the nature of the violation, Airbnb may also take other actions, such as canceling an upcoming or active reservation, refunding a guest from a Host’s payout, and/or requiring Hosts to provide proof that they have addressed issues before they can resume hosting.

In addition, a Host who cancels a confirmed reservation, or is found to be responsible for a cancellation, may face other consequences under our Host Cancellation Policy.

Ground rules for Hosts - Airbnb Help Center

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Better hope your guest doesn't complain.

 

[EarpRider]

Airbnb is slowing down out here compared to what it was.. what it was is insanity

Your old agents house on Via Del Lago is a AirBNB now, busy every weekend with 10 to 20 people. I feel so bad for my neighbors right next door to that house.

 

[j21black]

Is it to early to add this to the epic threads list?

Asking for myself......