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One of my former co-workers closing the doors of his business due to out of control regulations, homeless thieves, and trash.


https://californiaglobe.com/section...tions-force-another-family-business-to-close/

Another California business is closing its doors due to out of control regulations, homeless thieves, and trash.

An Ace Hardware store in the city of Riverside is shuttering, and its owners left a heartfelt message on their Facebook page and on their front door for all of their customers to read.

The store, known for good customer service, community service, and support of the military, had a 4.5-star Yelp rating. However, the owners felt like they were playing wack-o-mole with the anti-business environment plaguing the city, county, and entire state.

Ted and Pam Workman owned the shop on La Sierra Ave. It was their dream to build a chain of small hardware stores and leave a legacy for their children Garret and Cassie.

Ted wrote, “At the same time, had I passed away, Pam and the kids would have had a steady business to rely on. Sometimes not all dreams come true, and when they don’t, it is very sad.”

Earlier this year, national chain restaurant Roadhouse Grill also closed on La Sierra Avenue. They posted a letter citing reasons similar reasons for the closure, including vagrants, homeless loiterers, and crime. The Roadhouse restaurant operated at this location for 20 years.

Staples and Sport Chalet, also national chain stores, called it quits and left the community.

Ted said he never felt it was safe for his family members to stay at the store alone and it was impossible for him to be at the store every day, all day.

“Theft was a big issue, I am sure bigger than we know, or will ever know now. Unlike bigger stores, theft protection was us confronting the thief. We installed magnetic safety locks on many of the products, which made it more difficult for our honest customers to shop at the store. The thieves brought their own magnets to unlock them, or tore them off the product,” said Ted. “Due to the newer California laws, whether they got caught or not, the consequences were minimal, a slap on the wrist. We have many outstanding reports we have never heard back on, nor probably ever will.”

“Homeless, vagrants, transients, whatever they are, we’re just another nail in the coffin.”

A federally mandated homeless count in January 2019, showed an increase in unsheltered homeless people in the city of Riverside from 184 in 2018 to 238 in 2019, according to a report released in April by the county Department of Public Social Services. The number of homeless in the county of Riverside grew 21-percent in the past year.

The Workmans admit they were new business owners and to an extent, they blame themselves for not having enough business experience. However, the neighborhood was becoming increasingly unsafe and that drove their customers away.

“I tried very hard to clean up around the store as best as I could, but more (homeless) just kept showing up. I stopped allowing them in the store, and got a bad rap,” said Ted. “ We were 1000% Ace Helpful and got blamed for not allowing them to shop. Turn your back and there went another pair of gloves, a lighter, batteries, you name it. The trash they left behind daily, the needles, the urination and feces, kicking in my windows for no apparent reason, blocking my back entrance, being topless around the store, and much more, all added to the difficulty of owning a business. The police tried to help, the shopping center tried as well, but there is no solution.”

In August, California Globe reported on Sacramento salon owner Elizabeth Novak made national news when she posted an irate video addressing California Governor Gavin Newsom over the state’s homeless crisis.

Novak who owned her salon for 15-years said in her video, “I just want to tell you what happens when I get to work. I have to clean poop and pee off of my doorstep. I have to clean-up the syringes. I have to politely ask the people who I care for, I care for these people that are homeless, to move their tents of the way of the door to my business. I have to fight off people who push their way into my shop who are homeless and on drugs because you won’t arrest them for drug offenses. I have to apologize to my clients as to why they can’t get into my door because there’s someone asleep there and they are not getting the help they need.”

Ted wrote in his letter, “We do not consider ourselves a failure but when you are mistreated or stolen from, you take it personally, and I may have lost my cool a few times, for that I am sorry. We all learned so much with regards to our products, running a business, people skills, etc. we are better for doing this in many ways.”

I could easily write a book about our experiences. Should you have any questions, feel free to contact me at [email protected].”

Novak ended her video by telling Governor Newsom, “You want to make us a sanctuary state, you want to make it comfortable for everybody except for the people that work hard and have tried their hardest to get along in life,” Novak said. “Your liberal ideology isn’t working.”
 

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One of my former co-workers closing the doors of his business due to out of control regulations, homeless thieves, and trash.


https://californiaglobe.com/section...tions-force-another-family-business-to-close/

Another California business is closing its doors due to out of control regulations, homeless thieves, and trash.

An Ace Hardware store in the city of Riverside is shuttering, and its owners left a heartfelt message on their Facebook page and on their front door for all of their customers to read.

The store, known for good customer service, community service, and support of the military, had a 4.5-star Yelp rating. However, the owners felt like they were playing wack-o-mole with the anti-business environment plaguing the city, county, and entire state.

Ted and Pam Workman owned the shop on La Sierra Ave. It was their dream to build a chain of small hardware stores and leave a legacy for their children Garret and Cassie.

Ted wrote, “At the same time, had I passed away, Pam and the kids would have had a steady business to rely on. Sometimes not all dreams come true, and when they don’t, it is very sad.”

Earlier this year, national chain restaurant Roadhouse Grill also closed on La Sierra Avenue. They posted a letter citing reasons similar reasons for the closure, including vagrants, homeless loiterers, and crime. The Roadhouse restaurant operated at this location for 20 years.

Staples and Sport Chalet, also national chain stores, called it quits and left the community.

Ted said he never felt it was safe for his family members to stay at the store alone and it was impossible for him to be at the store every day, all day.

“Theft was a big issue, I am sure bigger than we know, or will ever know now. Unlike bigger stores, theft protection was us confronting the thief. We installed magnetic safety locks on many of the products, which made it more difficult for our honest customers to shop at the store. The thieves brought their own magnets to unlock them, or tore them off the product,” said Ted. “Due to the newer California laws, whether they got caught or not, the consequences were minimal, a slap on the wrist. We have many outstanding reports we have never heard back on, nor probably ever will.”

“Homeless, vagrants, transients, whatever they are, we’re just another nail in the coffin.”

A federally mandated homeless count in January 2019, showed an increase in unsheltered homeless people in the city of Riverside from 184 in 2018 to 238 in 2019, according to a report released in April by the county Department of Public Social Services. The number of homeless in the county of Riverside grew 21-percent in the past year.

The Workmans admit they were new business owners and to an extent, they blame themselves for not having enough business experience. However, the neighborhood was becoming increasingly unsafe and that drove their customers away.

“I tried very hard to clean up around the store as best as I could, but more (homeless) just kept showing up. I stopped allowing them in the store, and got a bad rap,” said Ted. “ We were 1000% Ace Helpful and got blamed for not allowing them to shop. Turn your back and there went another pair of gloves, a lighter, batteries, you name it. The trash they left behind daily, the needles, the urination and feces, kicking in my windows for no apparent reason, blocking my back entrance, being topless around the store, and much more, all added to the difficulty of owning a business. The police tried to help, the shopping center tried as well, but there is no solution.”

In August, California Globe reported on Sacramento salon owner Elizabeth Novak made national news when she posted an irate video addressing California Governor Gavin Newsom over the state’s homeless crisis.

Novak who owned her salon for 15-years said in her video, “I just want to tell you what happens when I get to work. I have to clean poop and pee off of my doorstep. I have to clean-up the syringes. I have to politely ask the people who I care for, I care for these people that are homeless, to move their tents of the way of the door to my business. I have to fight off people who push their way into my shop who are homeless and on drugs because you won’t arrest them for drug offenses. I have to apologize to my clients as to why they can’t get into my door because there’s someone asleep there and they are not getting the help they need.”

Ted wrote in his letter, “We do not consider ourselves a failure but when you are mistreated or stolen from, you take it personally, and I may have lost my cool a few times, for that I am sorry. We all learned so much with regards to our products, running a business, people skills, etc. we are better for doing this in many ways.”

I could easily write a book about our experiences. Should you have any questions, feel free to contact me at [email protected].”

Novak ended her video by telling Governor Newsom, “You want to make us a sanctuary state, you want to make it comfortable for everybody except for the people that work hard and have tried their hardest to get along in life,” Novak said. “Your liberal ideology isn’t working.”
The homeless situation in California is out of control they have more rights then property owners. In Fullerton off Gilbert and Orangethorpe the homeless had set up camp on the sidewalks and had been there for weeks. I wonder how many tickets Fullerton PD has written off Harbor for drunk in public etc to college students and people supporting the local economy but yet let’s these people drink and shoot up 24 hours a day on public property without any consequence. It’s total BS and why so many people are leaving Commefornia.
 

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One of my former co-workers closing the doors of his business due to out of control regulations, homeless thieves, and trash.


https://californiaglobe.com/section...tions-force-another-family-business-to-close/

Another California business is closing its doors due to out of control regulations, homeless thieves, and trash.

An Ace Hardware store in the city of Riverside is shuttering, and its owners left a heartfelt message on their Facebook page and on their front door for all of their customers to read.
Vin's shopped there too?:D #49 J/K RR :( I grew up in the La Sierra area.
 

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It's a shithole in that area....was just over there yesterday.
 

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Yeah but the weather is beautiful :rolleyes:

What a complete shame this man has to give up his family business because of POS politicians & liberals that would rather coddle low-life scumbags than protect hard working people. I’m sure the Newscum lovers will somehow justify it though.

If my work didn’t bind me to this state I’d be hightailing it out behind everybody else.
 

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Yeah but the weather is beautiful :rolleyes:

What a complete shame this man has to give up his family business because of POS politicians & liberals that would rather coddle low-life scumbags than protect hard working people. I’m sure the Newscum lovers will somehow justify it though.

If my work didn’t bind me to this state I’d be hightailing it out behind everybody else.
I've got 19 years left
 

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My first house was in Rubidoux...and I remember thinking that was the nicer part of town, so to speak. If that area has become so much worse, I feel bad for those that live in my old neighborhood. Seeing posts of areas I'm somewhat familiar with falling apart is sad. I feel bad for people who have worked for something, only to see it fall apart because of addicts and losers.
 

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I have loved the service and products at Ace Hardware in every city I have ever lived in. Love those places. Way better than Home Depot and Lowes.
 

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One of my former co-workers closing the doors of his business due to out of control regulations, homeless thieves, and trash.


https://californiaglobe.com/section...tions-force-another-family-business-to-close/

Another California business is closing its doors due to out of control regulations, homeless thieves, and trash.

An Ace Hardware store in the city of Riverside is shuttering, and its owners left a heartfelt message on their Facebook page and on their front door for all of their customers to read.

The store, known for good customer service, community service, and support of the military, had a 4.5-star Yelp rating. However, the owners felt like they were playing wack-o-mole with the anti-business environment plaguing the city, county, and entire state.

Ted and Pam Workman owned the shop on La Sierra Ave. It was their dream to build a chain of small hardware stores and leave a legacy for their children Garret and Cassie.

Ted wrote, “At the same time, had I passed away, Pam and the kids would have had a steady business to rely on. Sometimes not all dreams come true, and when they don’t, it is very sad.”

Earlier this year, national chain restaurant Roadhouse Grill also closed on La Sierra Avenue. They posted a letter citing reasons similar reasons for the closure, including vagrants, homeless loiterers, and crime. The Roadhouse restaurant operated at this location for 20 years.

Staples and Sport Chalet, also national chain stores, called it quits and left the community.

Ted said he never felt it was safe for his family members to stay at the store alone and it was impossible for him to be at the store every day, all day.

“Theft was a big issue, I am sure bigger than we know, or will ever know now. Unlike bigger stores, theft protection was us confronting the thief. We installed magnetic safety locks on many of the products, which made it more difficult for our honest customers to shop at the store. The thieves brought their own magnets to unlock them, or tore them off the product,” said Ted. “Due to the newer California laws, whether they got caught or not, the consequences were minimal, a slap on the wrist. We have many outstanding reports we have never heard back on, nor probably ever will.”

“Homeless, vagrants, transients, whatever they are, we’re just another nail in the coffin.”

A federally mandated homeless count in January 2019, showed an increase in unsheltered homeless people in the city of Riverside from 184 in 2018 to 238 in 2019, according to a report released in April by the county Department of Public Social Services. The number of homeless in the county of Riverside grew 21-percent in the past year.

The Workmans admit they were new business owners and to an extent, they blame themselves for not having enough business experience. However, the neighborhood was becoming increasingly unsafe and that drove their customers away.

“I tried very hard to clean up around the store as best as I could, but more (homeless) just kept showing up. I stopped allowing them in the store, and got a bad rap,” said Ted. “ We were 1000% Ace Helpful and got blamed for not allowing them to shop. Turn your back and there went another pair of gloves, a lighter, batteries, you name it. The trash they left behind daily, the needles, the urination and feces, kicking in my windows for no apparent reason, blocking my back entrance, being topless around the store, and much more, all added to the difficulty of owning a business. The police tried to help, the shopping center tried as well, but there is no solution.”

In August, California Globe reported on Sacramento salon owner Elizabeth Novak made national news when she posted an irate video addressing California Governor Gavin Newsom over the state’s homeless crisis.

Novak who owned her salon for 15-years said in her video, “I just want to tell you what happens when I get to work. I have to clean poop and pee off of my doorstep. I have to clean-up the syringes. I have to politely ask the people who I care for, I care for these people that are homeless, to move their tents of the way of the door to my business. I have to fight off people who push their way into my shop who are homeless and on drugs because you won’t arrest them for drug offenses. I have to apologize to my clients as to why they can’t get into my door because there’s someone asleep there and they are not getting the help they need.”

Ted wrote in his letter, “We do not consider ourselves a failure but when you are mistreated or stolen from, you take it personally, and I may have lost my cool a few times, for that I am sorry. We all learned so much with regards to our products, running a business, people skills, etc. we are better for doing this in many ways.”

I could easily write a book about our experiences. Should you have any questions, feel free to contact me at [email protected].”

Novak ended her video by telling Governor Newsom, “You want to make us a sanctuary state, you want to make it comfortable for everybody except for the people that work hard and have tried their hardest to get along in life,” Novak said. “Your liberal ideology isn’t working.”
Wow that’s some really sad stories right there. Not that I didn’t already know about the homeless problem in liberal run cities but those stories underscore the pain it’s causing everyday hard working Americans.
I truly hope for the people that can’t get out that things will improve for them.
 

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Sorry to hear of a business closing. Especially a family owned small business.

That being said I feel like ACE hardwares in general are a dying business.

We have one down the street from us called “Franklins”. Love going in there and supporting them whenever I can.

But they charge 2-3x what a normal widget would cost. For instance an 8ft 2x4 is something like $12.00.

When I need a 3/4 copper elbow, 1” 90 pvc fitting etc they get you out of a bind.

In reality they are saving me the extra 5 mins to drive to Home Depot, Lowe’s, Ferguson’s or any of the other supply houses.

Any of the above carry 100 or more of the above items.

Now on hardware they blow it out of the water.

It’s hard to run a family hardware store when you have the internet and big box stores everywhere. I wonder if they would be better getting into more specialized and higher end materials rather than selling the same (sometimes lower quality) items that the big box stores sell.

Edit: I will add that I can send my wife to Frankin’s with a list and they will do their best to help her. She’ll call me with a question and one of the guys in the store will talk with me to figure out what I’m looking for. That alone is enough for me to spend 2x on items from time to time.





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The homeless situation in California is out of control they have more rights then property owners. In Fullerton off Gilbert and Orangethorpe the homeless had set up camp on the sidewalks and had been there for weeks. I wonder how many tickets Fullerton PD has written off Harbor for drunk in public etc to college students and people supporting the local economy but yet let’s these people drink and shoot up 24 hours a day on public property without any consequence. It’s total BS and why so many people are leaving Commefornia.
10 years ago, California had a homeless person problem. Now, we have a methamphetamine and heroin addiction problem.

The only way that these Tweakers can survive is to ascertain $20 for each hit, and they will do it via whatever means necessary.

They don't want a home, they don't want to work, they don't want their own money. They simply survive by getting their next hit, and if you stand in the way of that, then you are toast.

Every single one of them knows that there are no consequences for their actions , and if they get taken to jail then they will be out within the hour. Are they going to answer their court date or warrant? LOL, no.

The average age of the "homeless" person that I encounter has changed from 55, down to 25, and lowering. Many of them have a dog, lots of them pit bulls. A large portion are riding BMX bikes, most of which are obviously stolen.

Their latest obsession? Breaking into the outdoor switch gear on the commercial buildings, turning off the parking lot and common area lights, as well as the house panels that supply the fire alarms.

This is not a housing problem, it's a drug problem.







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Sorry to hear of a business closing. Especially a family owned small business.

That being said I feel like ACE hardwares in general are a dying business.

We have one down the street from us called “Franklins”. Love going in there and supporting them whenever I can.

But they charge 2-3x what a normal widget would cost. For instance an 8ft 2x4 is something like $12.00.

When I need a 3/4 copper elbow, 1” 90 pvc fitting etc they get you out of a bind.

In reality they are saving me the extra 5 mins to drive to Home Depot, Lowe’s, Ferguson’s or any of the other supply houses.

Any of the above carry 100 or more of the above items.

Now on hardware they blow it out of the water.

It’s hard to run a family hardware store when you have the internet and big box stores everywhere. I wonder if they would be better getting into more specialized and higher end materials rather than selling the same (sometimes lower quality) items that the big box stores sell.

Edit: I will add that I can send my wife to Frankin’s with a list and they will do their best to help her. She’ll call me with a question and one of the guys in the store will talk with me to figure out what I’m looking for. That alone is enough for me to spend 2x on items from time to time.





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There is a market for commercial construction products, whether it be residential multi-tenant apartment stuff, or true commercial. Nobody has tapped into it yet, but I feel like it's the next big thing.

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There is a market for commercial construction products, whether it be residential multi-tenant apartment stuff, or true commercial. Nobody has tapped into it yet, but I feel like it's the next big thing.

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Agreed.



Also I think you’d make a killing selling everything needed for a remodel to home owners.

With the HGTV shows and Julio special contractors. Sell The cool electrical supplies, tankless water heaters, solid doors, prefab cabinetry, cheap flooring and whatever else I’m missing.

Get a few legit retired GC’s, superintendents, plumbers, electricians etc behind the counter to sell the material. Everyone thinks it’s really easy so sell the dream lol.

I’d be shooting my own business in the foot with the above lol.


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Agreed.



Also I think you’d make a killing selling everything needed for a remodel to home owners.

With the HGTV shows and Julio special contractors. Sell The cool electrical supplies, tankless water heaters, solid doors, prefab cabinetry, cheap flooring and whatever else I’m missing.

Get a few legit retired GC’s, superintendents, plumbers, electricians etc behind the counter to sell the material. Everyone thinks it’s really easy so sell the dream lol.

I’d be shooting my own business in the foot with the above lol.


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Huge Market potential, I can get ahold of any amount of square feet from 900 to 58000. Ready to go? Let's do it! [emoji16][emoji16]

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Huge Market potential, I can get ahold of any amount of square feet from 900 to 58000. Ready to go? Let's do it! [emoji16][emoji16]

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We can start on Monday. Anyone here wanna loan 2-3 million lol?


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The store didn't close because of the homeless - it closed because they opened it in a bad location. They opened a hardware store in a Cardena's shopping center(!) and the store is within a mile of Lowes.

It's too bad they closed, I went in there twice and the store was cool, but way too small (it was a Blockbuster Video before that and sat for many years empty). Also, what did they expect? The conditions they describe were already existent when they opened the store.

The Roadhouse Grill, which was on Tyler at the Galleria and not La Sierra as reported, closed because they sucked. They couldn't compete with PF Changs, Cheescake Factory, TGIF, Elephant Bar etc that opened within the past several years. Ancho's is still thriving despite their location that is way off the beaten path, proving that good food will keep a restaurant open despite a crappy location.

Sport Chalet, really? They "pulled out" when they went BK and closed the store, lol.

ACE Hardware in Norco is still hanging in there despite Tractor Supply opening down the street. That's a cool little store, I was in there just last week.
 

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The store didn't close because of the homeless - it closed because they opened it in a bad location. They opened a hardware store in a Cardena's shopping center(!) and the store is within a mile of Lowes.

It's too bad they closed, I went in there twice and the store was cool, but way too small (it was a Blockbuster Video before that and sat for many years empty). Also, what did they expect? The conditions they describe were already existent when they opened the store.

The Roadhouse Grill, which was on Tyler at the Galleria and not La Sierra as reported, closed because they sucked. They couldn't compete with PF Changs, Cheescake Factory, TGIF, Elephant Bar etc that opened within the past several years. Ancho's is still thriving despite their location that is way off the beaten path, proving that good food will keep a restaurant open despite a crappy location.

Sport Chalet, really? They "pulled out" when they went BK and closed the store, lol.

ACE Hardware in Norco is still hanging in there despite Tractor Supply opening down the street. That's a cool little store, I was in there just last week.

Had a feeling there was more to it. Not familiar with the area.


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We can start on Monday. Anyone here wanna loan 2-3 million lol?


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I can put us in at least 2.25k ft right now, no $ down and I take all risk . Or 14.5K, owner might finance leasing and business startup cost for X years.

That's just an example, I have multiple property owners that I work for that are very willing to rent space for a pretty sweet deal. Many of which are willing to hop in on a business startup, if it's got legs.



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For those who might have missed it, Ted Workman was interviewed around 5:00pm today on KFI AM640 radio's John and Ken Show. It was a pretty disturbing story he told and then it got worse at the end of the interview when he revealed that he was about to get evicted from his home by Wells Fargo and he had a son that was facing some serious health issues and big medical bills in the not too distant future. Not a pleasant story to start the New Year.

The homeless/vagrant problem in L.A. is nothing new and it has only gotten worse over time. Starting in the late 1940s until the early 1980s, my dad's office was at 214 West Pico Blvd. in downtown L.A. I remember going to his office with him as a small boy and never able to walk in thru the front door because it was always locked 24/7. Too many bums and hobos (that's what they were called in those early days) trying to get in to panhandle some loose change to buy some Thunderbird at the liquor store around the corner or heist an adding machine off a desk when nobody was looking to pawn down the street. Not that much has changed.
 

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Our Government needs to head over to Tokyo for some lessons on how to manage things.
Almost No homeless, No trash, No Crime, No bullshit AND the most business friendly in the world. Imagine that.
 

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Sorry I missed that one. :)

Vin's shopped there too?:D #49 J/K RR :( I grew up in the La Sierra area.


I did not hear the story in KFI but will search for it.

For those who might have missed it, Ted Workman was interviewed around 5:00pm today on KFI AM640 radio's John and Ken Show. It was a pretty disturbing story he told and then it got worse at the end of the interview when he revealed that he was about to get evicted from his home by Wells Fargo and he had a son that was facing some serious health issues and big medical bills in the not too distant future. Not a pleasant story to start the New Year.

The homeless/vagrant problem in L.A. is nothing new and it has only gotten worse over time. Starting in the late 1940s until the early 1980s, my dad's office was at 214 West Pico Blvd. in downtown L.A. I remember going to his office with him as a small boy and never able to walk in thru the front door because it was always locked 24/7. Too many bums and hobos (that's what they were called in those early days) trying to get in to panhandle some loose change to buy some Thunderbird at the liquor store around the corner or heist an adding machine off a desk when nobody was looking to pawn down the street. Not that much has changed.
 

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Agreed.



Also I think you’d make a killing selling everything needed for a remodel to home owners.

With the HGTV shows and Julio special contractors. Sell The cool electrical supplies, tankless water heaters, solid doors, prefab cabinetry, cheap flooring and whatever else I’m missing.

Get a few legit retired GC’s, superintendents, plumbers, electricians etc behind the counter to sell the material. Everyone thinks it’s really easy so sell the dream lol.

I’d be shooting my own business in the foot with the above lol.


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Ya'll need Menards out there.

I've got an Ace, HD, Lowe's and Menards all within 3 miles of my house, all of them on the same commercial corridor.

I go to Ace for hardware and such, Menards for building supplies (they have a full lumber yard) and the other two only when absolutely necessary.

To bad about your friends business Richy.
 

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For those who might have missed it, Ted Workman was interviewed around 5:00pm today on KFI AM640 radio's John and Ken Show. It was a pretty disturbing story he told and then it got worse at the end of the interview when he revealed that he was about to get evicted from his home by Wells Fargo and he had a son that was facing some serious health issues and big medical bills in the not too distant future. Not a pleasant story to start the New Year.

The homeless/vagrant problem in L.A. is nothing new and it has only gotten worse over time. Starting in the late 1940s until the early 1980s, my dad's office was at 214 West Pico Blvd. in downtown L.A. I remember going to his office with him as a small boy and never able to walk in thru the front door because it was always locked 24/7. Too many bums and hobos (that's what they were called in those early days) trying to get in to panhandle some loose change to buy some Thunderbird at the liquor store around the corner or heist an adding machine off a desk when nobody was looking to pawn down the street. Not that much has changed.
My father's offices were in downtown LA, on Spring St. 50 years ago...it was kinda scary then. Bums were in the neighborhood way back then. You can see how well government has solved the problem. How much have they spent? Its a thousand times worse now
 

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I don’t mean to sound insensitive to the owners, regardless of circumstance, losing a business sucks. ☹️
 

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First words out of my new co-worker’s mouth when he found out I live in Riverside...Club Metro?

I asked, Jar-Head?
 

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The state is after so called “ white male privilege” , “ Christian beliefs” and “ Hard workers.”

Jailhouse nurse who runs programs informed me of all the financial and health benefits criminals receive while in and out of jail. She was frustrated that we have to work for all these benefits , yet scum of society get it for free.


One of my former co-workers closing the doors of his business due to out of control regulations, homeless thieves, and trash.


https://californiaglobe.com/section...tions-force-another-family-business-to-close/

Another California business is closing its doors due to out of control regulations, homeless thieves, and trash.

An Ace Hardware store in the city of Riverside is shuttering, and its owners left a heartfelt message on their Facebook page and on their front door for all of their customers to read.

The store, known for good customer service, community service, and support of the military, had a 4.5-star Yelp rating. However, the owners felt like they were playing wack-o-mole with the anti-business environment plaguing the city, county, and entire state.

Ted and Pam Workman owned the shop on La Sierra Ave. It was their dream to build a chain of small hardware stores and leave a legacy for their children Garret and Cassie.

Ted wrote, “At the same time, had I passed away, Pam and the kids would have had a steady business to rely on. Sometimes not all dreams come true, and when they don’t, it is very sad.”

Earlier this year, national chain restaurant Roadhouse Grill also closed on La Sierra Avenue. They posted a letter citing reasons similar reasons for the closure, including vagrants, homeless loiterers, and crime. The Roadhouse restaurant operated at this location for 20 years.

Staples and Sport Chalet, also national chain stores, called it quits and left the community.

Ted said he never felt it was safe for his family members to stay at the store alone and it was impossible for him to be at the store every day, all day.

“Theft was a big issue, I am sure bigger than we know, or will ever know now. Unlike bigger stores, theft protection was us confronting the thief. We installed magnetic safety locks on many of the products, which made it more difficult for our honest customers to shop at the store. The thieves brought their own magnets to unlock them, or tore them off the product,” said Ted. “Due to the newer California laws, whether they got caught or not, the consequences were minimal, a slap on the wrist. We have many outstanding reports we have never heard back on, nor probably ever will.”

“Homeless, vagrants, transients, whatever they are, we’re just another nail in the coffin.”

A federally mandated homeless count in January 2019, showed an increase in unsheltered homeless people in the city of Riverside from 184 in 2018 to 238 in 2019, according to a report released in April by the county Department of Public Social Services. The number of homeless in the county of Riverside grew 21-percent in the past year.

The Workmans admit they were new business owners and to an extent, they blame themselves for not having enough business experience. However, the neighborhood was becoming increasingly unsafe and that drove their customers away.

“I tried very hard to clean up around the store as best as I could, but more (homeless) just kept showing up. I stopped allowing them in the store, and got a bad rap,” said Ted. “ We were 1000% Ace Helpful and got blamed for not allowing them to shop. Turn your back and there went another pair of gloves, a lighter, batteries, you name it. The trash they left behind daily, the needles, the urination and feces, kicking in my windows for no apparent reason, blocking my back entrance, being topless around the store, and much more, all added to the difficulty of owning a business. The police tried to help, the shopping center tried as well, but there is no solution.”

In August, California Globe reported on Sacramento salon owner Elizabeth Novak made national news when she posted an irate video addressing California Governor Gavin Newsom over the state’s homeless crisis.

Novak who owned her salon for 15-years said in her video, “I just want to tell you what happens when I get to work. I have to clean poop and pee off of my doorstep. I have to clean-up the syringes. I have to politely ask the people who I care for, I care for these people that are homeless, to move their tents of the way of the door to my business. I have to fight off people who push their way into my shop who are homeless and on drugs because you won’t arrest them for drug offenses. I have to apologize to my clients as to why they can’t get into my door because there’s someone asleep there and they are not getting the help they need.”

Ted wrote in his letter, “We do not consider ourselves a failure but when you are mistreated or stolen from, you take it personally, and I may have lost my cool a few times, for that I am sorry. We all learned so much with regards to our products, running a business, people skills, etc. we are better for doing this in many ways.”

I could easily write a book about our experiences. Should you have any questions, feel free to contact me at [email protected].”

Novak ended her video by telling Governor Newsom, “You want to make us a sanctuary state, you want to make it comfortable for everybody except for the people that work hard and have tried their hardest to get along in life,” Novak said. “Your liberal ideology isn’t working.”
For those who might have missed it, Ted Workman was interviewed around 5:00pm today on KFI AM640 radio's John and Ken Show. It was a pretty disturbing story he told and then it got worse at the end of the interview when he revealed that he was about to get evicted from his home by Wells Fargo and he had a son that was facing some serious health issues and big medical bills in the not too distant future. Not a pleasant story to start the New Year.

The homeless/vagrant problem in L.A. is nothing new and it has only gotten worse over time. Starting in the late 1940s until the early 1980s, my dad's office was at 214 West Pico Blvd. in downtown L.A. I remember going to his office with him as a small boy and never able to walk in thru the front door because it was always locked 24/7. Too many bums and hobos (that's what they were called in those early days) trying to get in to panhandle some loose change to buy some Thunderbird at the liquor store around the corner or heist an adding machine off a desk when nobody was looking to pawn down the street. Not that much has changed.
 

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One of my former co-workers closing the doors of his business due to out of control regulations, homeless thieves, and trash.


https://californiaglobe.com/section...tions-force-another-family-business-to-close/

Another California business is closing its doors due to out of control regulations, homeless thieves, and trash.

An Ace Hardware store in the city of Riverside is shuttering, and its owners left a heartfelt message on their Facebook page and on their front door for all of their customers to read.

The store, known for good customer service, community service, and support of the military, had a 4.5-star Yelp rating. However, the owners felt like they were playing wack-o-mole with the anti-business environment plaguing the city, county, and entire state.

Ted and Pam Workman owned the shop on La Sierra Ave. It was their dream to build a chain of small hardware stores and leave a legacy for their children Garret and Cassie.

Ted wrote, “At the same time, had I passed away, Pam and the kids would have had a steady business to rely on. Sometimes not all dreams come true, and when they don’t, it is very sad.”

Earlier this year, national chain restaurant Roadhouse Grill also closed on La Sierra Avenue. They posted a letter citing reasons similar reasons for the closure, including vagrants, homeless loiterers, and crime. The Roadhouse restaurant operated at this location for 20 years.

Staples and Sport Chalet, also national chain stores, called it quits and left the community.

Ted said he never felt it was safe for his family members to stay at the store alone and it was impossible for him to be at the store every day, all day.

“Theft was a big issue, I am sure bigger than we know, or will ever know now. Unlike bigger stores, theft protection was us confronting the thief. We installed magnetic safety locks on many of the products, which made it more difficult for our honest customers to shop at the store. The thieves brought their own magnets to unlock them, or tore them off the product,” said Ted. “Due to the newer California laws, whether they got caught or not, the consequences were minimal, a slap on the wrist. We have many outstanding reports we have never heard back on, nor probably ever will.”

“Homeless, vagrants, transients, whatever they are, we’re just another nail in the coffin.”

A federally mandated homeless count in January 2019, showed an increase in unsheltered homeless people in the city of Riverside from 184 in 2018 to 238 in 2019, according to a report released in April by the county Department of Public Social Services. The number of homeless in the county of Riverside grew 21-percent in the past year.

The Workmans admit they were new business owners and to an extent, they blame themselves for not having enough business experience. However, the neighborhood was becoming increasingly unsafe and that drove their customers away.

“I tried very hard to clean up around the store as best as I could, but more (homeless) just kept showing up. I stopped allowing them in the store, and got a bad rap,” said Ted. “ We were 1000% Ace Helpful and got blamed for not allowing them to shop. Turn your back and there went another pair of gloves, a lighter, batteries, you name it. The trash they left behind daily, the needles, the urination and feces, kicking in my windows for no apparent reason, blocking my back entrance, being topless around the store, and much more, all added to the difficulty of owning a business. The police tried to help, the shopping center tried as well, but there is no solution.”

In August, California Globe reported on Sacramento salon owner Elizabeth Novak made national news when she posted an irate video addressing California Governor Gavin Newsom over the state’s homeless crisis.

Novak who owned her salon for 15-years said in her video, “I just want to tell you what happens when I get to work. I have to clean poop and pee off of my doorstep. I have to clean-up the syringes. I have to politely ask the people who I care for, I care for these people that are homeless, to move their tents of the way of the door to my business. I have to fight off people who push their way into my shop who are homeless and on drugs because you won’t arrest them for drug offenses. I have to apologize to my clients as to why they can’t get into my door because there’s someone asleep there and they are not getting the help they need.”

Ted wrote in his letter, “We do not consider ourselves a failure but when you are mistreated or stolen from, you take it personally, and I may have lost my cool a few times, for that I am sorry. We all learned so much with regards to our products, running a business, people skills, etc. we are better for doing this in many ways.”

I could easily write a book about our experiences. Should you have any questions, feel free to contact me at [email protected].”

Novak ended her video by telling Governor Newsom, “You want to make us a sanctuary state, you want to make it comfortable for everybody except for the people that work hard and have tried their hardest to get along in life,” Novak said. “Your liberal ideology isn’t working.”

When a towns Elks lodge folds it's an early sign the culture is going downhill. The Rotary, the CC, the JC, the Kiwanis, the Lions all the community service organizations will be jumping ship too and leaving town.
In Riversides case merging into other Cities organisations.

Riverside has been backing into hell for quite sometime now.
I remember as a little kid we dropped off an older cousin at the college dorms.
Riverside was rural ranches and farms then. So storybook beautiful.
The whole state is going that way.
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Old Riverside:
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Riverside has the only Denny's Restaurant I have ever seen with a security guard at the front door.....and that was 25 years ago. lol The Mom and Pop hardware stores still have a place in this world but....................location, location, location. Yes, California has a huge problem in many cities with homeless, crime and such. In the late 70's I worked at a Camera store on PCH in Corona del Mar. A Crown Ace Hardware opened up next door to us in a +/- 3000 sq location. That store now takes up almost the entire city block......including the camera store. Never good to have someone lose a business especially due to things out of their control. Sorry for your friends.
 
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Not to throw any more wrenchs into running a small business, in califorina , the dem controlled state will make it even easier, to be in business .:rolleyes: this November , by abolishing a prop 13 amendment on the ballot , on commercial property .
So how many more small mom and pop brick and mortar stores , will go under ?
It's the big bad commercial protery owners fault. As some would say.

Suck it up. it's for the kids .
 

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So Thieves, druggies, derilicks, and gutter scum, get free reign out of fear of offending them , hurting their feelings much less enforce the laws the rest of us live by, just try getting caught talking on your cell driving or (fill in the blank offence) to anyone with wherewithal like driving a truck with modified exhaust I have no answers but see the decay daily makes Me wonder why I try ....
 

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The Houston Metro area has numerous Ace individual owned hardware stores that have few issues competing with the big box stores. They keep higher end items like plant, lawn, and garden fertilizers and products not available with the big guys. They have a far better selection of hardware and offer services that the big guys can't provide with their less skilled labor.

Prices are competitive on the ones carrying lumber and all have fantastic service with help approaching thought out the store.

The number of made in the USA products like patio furniture, grills, and higher end items keeps them busy. Most have superior cutting, sanding, and finishing accessories and products the big stores don't.

It takes a Howard Cunningham hardware man to make it work.....Know your market and provide what folks want but cannot find in the box stores:D
 

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Sucks to hear about the riverside ACE. Just left mine...been here since the 60’s. Been here a few times when they’re shuffling out some sorta vagrant
 

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View attachment 831132 Sucks to hear about the riverside ACE. Just left mine...been here since the 60’s. Been here a few times when they’re shuffling out some sorta vagrant

nice use to live at that store.

not outside but inside:eek:

Hacienda Blvd...

they usually carry all the hard to find valves and old school stuff.

the Battels True ValueHardware in Whittier closed down recently. sucks
 

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View attachment 831132 Sucks to hear about the riverside ACE. Just left mine...been here since the 60’s. Been here a few times when they’re shuffling out some sorta vagrant
That's the one my inlaws used to go to;)
I used to hit Charter Oak Hardware...use to be kind of caddy-corner from the old Rhodes Way Boats on Arrow.
 

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Here in the DFW area we have Elliot's Hardware. There are five locations, including one near me in Plano.

The inventory carried by the store is phenomenal. They have eight 30' long back to back banks of fasteners, covering all sizes, types, and finishes. They sell Treager, Big Green Egg, and other high end BBQs. There's also a complete selection of lawn and garden supplies and equipment, and they are Stihl dealers.

The amount of widgets and gadgets are just amazing.

I shop there often, especially when I need something esoteric like parts for a lamp, nylon reinforced vinyl tubing, or drip irrigation parts.

They've been in business since 1947, and I hope they continue for many more years.

http://www.elliottshardware.com/
 

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sad deal for sure. Thats not my personal Ace Hardware, but I've driven by it more than a few times. That area over there is a total shit hole though, I honestly cant blame them for closing the doors. Its a shame these working people cant get any support from the police or community. Wondering at what point will people just have enough, and start putting together groups of citizens to round these people up and drop them off elsewhere.
 

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One of my former co-workers closing the doors of his business due to out of control regulations, homeless thieves, and trash.


https://californiaglobe.com/section...tions-force-another-family-business-to-close/

Another California business is closing its doors due to out of control regulations, homeless thieves, and trash.

An Ace Hardware store in the city of Riverside is shuttering, and its owners left a heartfelt message on their Facebook page and on their front door for all of their customers to read.

The store, known for good customer service, community service, and support of the military, had a 4.5-star Yelp rating. However, the owners felt like they were playing wack-o-mole with the anti-business environment plaguing the city, county, and entire state.

Ted and Pam Workman owned the shop on La Sierra Ave. It was their dream to build a chain of small hardware stores and leave a legacy for their children Garret and Cassie.

Ted wrote, “At the same time, had I passed away, Pam and the kids would have had a steady business to rely on. Sometimes not all dreams come true, and when they don’t, it is very sad.”

Earlier this year, national chain restaurant Roadhouse Grill also closed on La Sierra Avenue. They posted a letter citing reasons similar reasons for the closure, including vagrants, homeless loiterers, and crime. The Roadhouse restaurant operated at this location for 20 years.

Staples and Sport Chalet, also national chain stores, called it quits and left the community.

Ted said he never felt it was safe for his family members to stay at the store alone and it was impossible for him to be at the store every day, all day.

“Theft was a big issue, I am sure bigger than we know, or will ever know now. Unlike bigger stores, theft protection was us confronting the thief. We installed magnetic safety locks on many of the products, which made it more difficult for our honest customers to shop at the store. The thieves brought their own magnets to unlock them, or tore them off the product,” said Ted. “Due to the newer California laws, whether they got caught or not, the consequences were minimal, a slap on the wrist. We have many outstanding reports we have never heard back on, nor probably ever will.”

“Homeless, vagrants, transients, whatever they are, we’re just another nail in the coffin.”

A federally mandated homeless count in January 2019, showed an increase in unsheltered homeless people in the city of Riverside from 184 in 2018 to 238 in 2019, according to a report released in April by the county Department of Public Social Services. The number of homeless in the county of Riverside grew 21-percent in the past year.

The Workmans admit they were new business owners and to an extent, they blame themselves for not having enough business experience. However, the neighborhood was becoming increasingly unsafe and that drove their customers away.

“I tried very hard to clean up around the store as best as I could, but more (homeless) just kept showing up. I stopped allowing them in the store, and got a bad rap,” said Ted. “ We were 1000% Ace Helpful and got blamed for not allowing them to shop. Turn your back and there went another pair of gloves, a lighter, batteries, you name it. The trash they left behind daily, the needles, the urination and feces, kicking in my windows for no apparent reason, blocking my back entrance, being topless around the store, and much more, all added to the difficulty of owning a business. The police tried to help, the shopping center tried as well, but there is no solution.”

In August, California Globe reported on Sacramento salon owner Elizabeth Novak made national news when she posted an irate video addressing California Governor Gavin Newsom over the state’s homeless crisis.

Novak who owned her salon for 15-years said in her video, “I just want to tell you what happens when I get to work. I have to clean poop and pee off of my doorstep. I have to clean-up the syringes. I have to politely ask the people who I care for, I care for these people that are homeless, to move their tents of the way of the door to my business. I have to fight off people who push their way into my shop who are homeless and on drugs because you won’t arrest them for drug offenses. I have to apologize to my clients as to why they can’t get into my door because there’s someone asleep there and they are not getting the help they need.”

Ted wrote in his letter, “We do not consider ourselves a failure but when you are mistreated or stolen from, you take it personally, and I may have lost my cool a few times, for that I am sorry. We all learned so much with regards to our products, running a business, people skills, etc. we are better for doing this in many ways.”

I could easily write a book about our experiences. Should you have any questions, feel free to contact me at [email protected].”

Novak ended her video by telling Governor Newsom, “You want to make us a sanctuary state, you want to make it comfortable for everybody except for the people that work hard and have tried their hardest to get along in life,” Novak said. “Your liberal ideology isn’t working.”
Sorry to hear!!!
 
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