2022-2023 Ram 3500 with the Aisin Transmission - Failure

[WYRD]

Looking at a new 2023 3500 srw ram with the HO and Aisin powertrain. Is there a date code to look out for the trans issues or have they corrected the issues in 23 as @Melloyellovector stated?

 

[Ace in the Hole]

Looking at a new 2023 3500 srw ram with the HO and Aisin powertrain. Is there a date code to look out for the trans issues or have they corrected the issues in 23 as @Melloyellovector stated?

I’m pretty sure it was a brief period of production and it has been rectified. I know earlier and latter ones that weren’t affected. Follow the maintenance schedule to a T… I have just under 63,000 miles on mine (20) now mostly highway. No issues but I’ve done the drain and fill and the filter change and fill when spec’d.

 

[v6toy4x]

You should be fine with a '23.
I have a dreaded November 2022 build date, as of yet still biting my nails, 9400 miles

 

[Melloyellovector]

i have a 23 mega cab ram box with zero issues
stay clear of 22s regardless of discounts offered. Ram now has a list they are proactively replacing snap rings. 3 trans later in my 2022 no fucking way would I trust it.

one thing I did learn on the new trucks is they are hydraulic lifters now. They have had some oiling concerns on new trucks. Causing decently catastrophic failures.
Was told DO NOT go past maint dates

Also note HOs trans and both dif’s require service every 30k miles to the tune of 1500.00, 500.00 oil and fuel filters etc, premium price on diesel, all make diesel’s less appealing to own.

 

[adam909]

i have a 23 mega cab ram box with zero issues
stay clear of 22s regardless of discounts offered. Ram now has a list they are proactively replacing snap rings. 3 trans later in my 2022 no fucking way would I trust it.

one thing I did learn on the new trucks is they are hydraulic lifters now. They have had some oiling concerns on new trucks. Causing decently catastrophic failures.
Was told DO NOT go past maint dates

Also note HOs trans and both dif’s require service every 30k miles to the tune of 1500.00, 500.00 oil and fuel filters etc, premium price on diesel, all make diesel’s less appealing to own.

Looks like ill be keeping my 2018 4th gen even longer.. Ram just had to change everything up and make a reliable truck not reliable after 18..

 

[OCMerrill]

I would NOT run the oil past 10k miles in a Hyd Lifter Cummins. They say 15k which is just hideous.

First the concept is just stupid. I have nearly 300k on our 2500 5.9 truck and the valves have NEVER been out of spec. Right in the middle.
We recently replaced all the injectors and bagged every pushrod with its rocker. Put it all back together in order and ran the valves. All right at spec.

So why subject hydraulic lifters to EGR and the associated soot, which get in the oil easily? NVH is all I can think of.

Secondly Send a sample to Blackstone and watch for heavy metals in the oil beyond the base line. You may have to change the oil even sooner.

 

[OCMerrill]

Looks like ill be keeping my 2018 4th gen even longer.. Ram just had to change everything up and make a reliable truck not reliable after 18..

Its exactly why I bought a leftover 2018. I wish I could have found a truck that wasn't bright red though. Seem to trigger everyone.

 

[Riverbound]

i have a 23 mega cab ram box with zero issues
stay clear of 22s regardless of discounts offered. Ram now has a list they are proactively replacing snap rings. 3 trans later in my 2022 no fucking way would I trust it.

one thing I did learn on the new trucks is they are hydraulic lifters now. They have had some oiling concerns on new trucks. Causing decently catastrophic failures.
Was told DO NOT go past maint dates

Also note HOs trans and both dif’s require service every 30k miles to the tune of 1500.00, 500.00 oil and fuel filters etc, premium price on diesel, all make diesel’s less appealing to own.

all of this is why i went a completely different route. today was the most likely the last time i hook this truck up to my trailer. lawyers says i should be turning it in within the next 2 weeks.

 

[Icky]

I have 29k on my 22 ram(3/22 build date) 3500 ho and haven't had the transmission fail yet.......it's in the back of my mind every time I tow my trailer though.

 

[v6toy4x]

it's in the back of my mind every time I tow my trailer though.

FACT!

 

[clark]

No loaner! Ridiculous

CONTACT CUSTOMER SERVICE AND RAIS HELL, TELL THEM THAT YOU USE YOUR TRUCK FOR WORK AND THAT THE INTERNET IS FULL OF THEIR TRANSMISSION FAILURES, KEEP PUSHING THEM, YOUR VRHICLE IS STILL UNDER BASE WARRANTY AS WELL AS POWERTRAIN. I RAN THE SERVICE DEPARTMENT FOR A CDJR DEALERSHIP AND WE HAD PEOPLE IN RENTALS FOR OVER 10 MONTHS DUE TO KNOWN PRODUCT PROBLEMS WITH NO PARTS, NO FIX OR A BACKLOG OF WORK. PUSH THEM

 

[Riverbound]

CONTACT CUSTOMER SERVICE AND RAIS HELL, TELL THEM THAT YOU USE YOUR TRUCK FOR WORK AND THAT THE INTERNET IS FULL OF THEIR TRANSMISSION FAILURES, KEEP PUSHING THEM, YOUR VRHICLE IS STILL UNDER BASE WARRANTY AS WELL AS POWERTRAIN. I RAN THE SERVICE DEPARTMENT FOR A CDJR DEALERSHIP AND WE HAD PEOPLE IN RENTALS FOR OVER 10 MONTHS DUE TO KNOWN PRODUCT PROBLEMS WITH NO PARTS, NO FIX OR A BACKLOG OF WORK. PUSH THEM

ram care has a $70/day allowance i had another truck so didn’t use it.

 

[Riverbound]

I have 29k on my 22 ram(3/22 build date) 3500 ho and haven't had the transmission fail yet.......it's in the back of my mind every time I tow my trailer though.

it’s the worst feeling. even though mine is “fixed” i still have that feeling.

 

[COCA COLA COWBOY]

CONTACT CUSTOMER SERVICE AND RAIS HELL, TELL THEM THAT YOU USE YOUR TRUCK FOR WORK AND THAT THE INTERNET IS FULL OF THEIR TRANSMISSION FAILURES, KEEP PUSHING THEM, YOUR VRHICLE IS STILL UNDER BASE WARRANTY AS WELL AS POWERTRAIN. I RAN THE SERVICE DEPARTMENT FOR A CDJR DEALERSHIP AND WE HAD PEOPLE IN RENTALS FOR OVER 10 MONTHS DUE TO KNOWN PRODUCT PROBLEMS WITH NO PARTS, NO FIX OR A BACKLOG OF WORK. PUSH THEM

I have an attorney working on the lemon law right now. Most likely just going to let it go and get a new truck as long as I can get a decent interest rate.

 

[Riverbound]

almost 8 months to the day. finally did my buy back today.

was such a bad ass truck, but for the money i spent shouldnt have had to deal with all that.

 

[JB in so cal]

Note to self. Don't go to that dealer looking for a used RAM 3500 lol

 

[NicPaus]

Note to self. Don't go to that dealer looking for a used RAM 3500 lol

Loaded Like New!

 

[Riverbound]

Note to self. Don't go to that dealer looking for a used RAM 3500 lol

in all honesty whoever picks it up will be very lucky. everything is fixed and it’s a bad ass truck.

 

[v6toy4x]

I have spent the last couple weeks going back and forth to visit my dad who hasnt been doing well,
and as luck would have it my '22 3500 dumped the trans in textbook style.

Sep '22 ordered
Nov '22 build date
Dec '22 Delivery
13,600 easy miles

Check engine light,
followed 4 days later by dash message, 4WD system temporarily unavailable
then loss of forward momentum in 30 miles
lastly a couple big bangs as I tried forward to reverse, now dead in the water with reverse only

On the positive side,
it quit in my parents driveway
As suggested I got the premier AAA roadside tow truck showed up right when called
The local dealership does have a diesel guy who was very familiar with the repair
It got tore down same day, verified K1 snap ring failure, wtty coverage
Once fixed, I will no longer have that voice in the back of my head saying "its gonna blow" (priceless)

Down side,
Parts on B/O
Case number started with ram care over rental car, we will see, I dont need it but I figure the more I cost them per day
maybe the quicker they get me back and running

I was concerned on the wtty coverage, I installed a lift kit that included a transfer case clocking ring
which in no way could have any influence on this happening or not but I was worried I would get denied for modifying the
drivetrain. At this point it sounds like I am good, other than a broken down truck

I will put the over-under on repair at 45 days
I say over????

 

[Icky]

I have spent the last couple weeks going back and forth to visit my dad who hasnt been doing well,
and as luck would have it my '22 3500 dumped the trans in textbook style.

Sep '22 ordered
Nov '22 build date
Dec '22 Delivery
13,600 easy miles

Check engine light,
followed 4 days later by dash message, 4WD system temporarily unavailable
then loss of forward momentum in 30 miles
lastly a couple big bangs as I tried forward to reverse, now dead in the water with reverse only

On the positive side,
it quit in my parents driveway
As suggested I got the premier AAA roadside tow truck showed up right when called
The local dealership does have a diesel guy who was very familiar with the repair
It got tore down same day, verified K1 snap ring failure, wtty coverage
Once fixed, I will no longer have that voice in the back of my head saying "its gonna blow" (priceless)

Down side,
Parts on B/O
Case number started with ram care over rental car, we will see, I dont need it but I figure the more I cost them per day
maybe the quicker they get me back and running

I was concerned on the wtty coverage, I installed a lift kit that included a transfer case clocking ring
which in no way could have any influence on this happening or not but I was worried I would get denied for modifying the
drivetrain. At this point it sounds like I am good, other than a broken down truck

I will put the over-under on repair at 45 days
I say over????

I'm at 33k with mine, maybe I'm one of the lucky ones

 

[v6toy4x]

I'm at 33k with mine, maybe I'm one of the lucky ones

I will cross my fingers for you!

The one biggest positive is hopefully the snap ring is the actual root of the problem and now I dont have to worry every time i go somewhere????

 

[FlatNv]

I will cross my fingers for you!

The one biggest positive is hopefully the snap ring is the actual root of the problem and now I dont have to worry every time i go somewhere????

That sucks. Same thought. I'm around 33k also on my 22-3500. ..
Like you everytime I tow it's in my head. Now it's going to be everytime I drive this fkr hope I'm not adding to dead on road in this thread before "fix"

 

[v6toy4x]

I'm at 33k with mine, maybe I'm one of the lucky ones

That sucks. Same thought. I'm around 33k also on my 22-3500. ..
Like you everytime I tow it's in my head. Now it's going to be everytime I drive this fkr hope I'm not adding to dead on road in this thread before "fix"

You should check if your truck is listed under CSN-71A which has the dealer change the K1 snap ring.
My truck was not listed but it happened, Ram has a too narrow window that they feel the problem exists in.

link to a volunteer spreadsheet of trucks effected

2022-2023 Ram / Aisin Transmission Failures Tracking

docs.google.com

 

[Sherpa]

Horror stories. My 2018 Aisin 3500 4x4 is still going strong.

My biggest concern was at just 5k miles the rear gear backlash was huge/non existent.

 

[Icky]

You should check if your truck is listed under CSN-71A which has the dealer change the K1 snap ring.
My truck was not listed but it happened, Ram has a too narrow window that they feel the problem exists in.

link to a volunteer spreadsheet of trucks effected

2022-2023 Ram / Aisin Transmission Failures Tracking

docs.google.com

I checked mine a few months back and also had the dealer check for me. I'll check again next time it's in the shop

 

[Toolman]

OK, I’ve been through this whole thread. I don’t understand why we just don’t go back to manual shift five speeds with a clutch and do away with this automatic bullshit. Back in the 80s I drove a 3500 dually Chevy big block with a four-speed with a granny low and we towed a top fuel drag bike all over the country a dozen times and not once did the transmission let us down. why do you think all the big rigs are mostly stick shifts.

 

[CLdrinker]

OK, I’ve been through this whole thread. I don’t understand why we just don’t go back to manual shift five speeds with a clutch and do away with this automatic bullshit. Back in the 80s I drove a 3500 dually Chevy big block with a four-speed with a granny low and we towed a top fuel drag bike all over the country a dozen times and not once did the transmission let us down. why do you think all the big rigs are mostly stick shifts.

Because very very very few people would buy them. Hard to justify the cost to have a manual option for the manufacture.

Hell I’m a manual transmission fan I wouldn’t want to deal with it every day. When I’m Towing yes. But DD nope.

 

[adam909]

OK, I’ve been through this whole thread. I don’t understand why we just don’t go back to manual shift five speeds with a clutch and do away with this automatic bullshit. Back in the 80s I drove a 3500 dually Chevy big block with a four-speed with a granny low and we towed a top fuel drag bike all over the country a dozen times and not once did the transmission let us down. why do you think all the big rigs are mostly stick shifts.

What a shit show the launch ramp would be with a bunch drunks with manual trucks trying to pull there boat out.. Ill stick with my automatic.

 

[v6toy4x]

55 days at the dealer thru end of May, all fixed???????????

Now I am battling the REGEN problem DPF is calling for REGEN about every 75 miles, set chk eng light 3 weeks ago got new MAF just went into trouble again this morning, still regenning way too often, headed back to shop tuesday, going on yearly boat trip thursday, love the truck but this is getting a bit too much. 7 times into shop in 16 months. I know my next move but dont dare say it publicly, Consulting my "experts" next weekend!!

 

[Xring01]

55 days at the dealer thru end of May, all fixed???????????

Now I am battling the REGEN problem DPF is calling for REGEN about every 75 miles, set chk eng light 3 weeks ago got new MAF just went into trouble again this morning, still regenning way too often, headed back to shop tuesday, going on yearly boat trip thursday, love the truck but this is getting a bit too much. 7 times into shop in 16 months. I know my next move but dont dare say it publicly, Consulting my "experts" next weekend!!

My neighbor had this problem on his 2022 or 23 2500 cummins… his truck was almost lemon lawed over it. Because it pretty much lived in the shop. They pretty much replaced everything emissions related, still had the problem, then changed the MAF sensor and a few other items to the Canadian style units… problem went away about 4 months ago. So far no problems….

He left with a 14000lb trailer on a 45 day tour Eastern NV, UT, WY, MT, SD etc etc etc… I text him once a week regarding his house stuff. But he has not mentioned any problems with his truck… he has been gone 3 weeks ish… so far.

 

[v6toy4x]

My neighbor had this problem on his 2022 or 23 2500 cummins… his truck was almost lemon lawed over it. Because it pretty much lived in the shop. They pretty much replaced everything emissions related, still had the problem, then changed the MAF sensor and a few other items to the Canadian style units… problem went away about 4 months ago. So far no problems….

He left with a 14000lb trailer on a 45 day tour Eastern NV, UT, WY, MT, SD etc etc etc… I text him once a week regarding his house stuff. But he has not mentioned any problems with his truck… he has been gone 3 weeks ish… so far.

This is going to turn out to be a huge problem for RAM, it goes back to 2019 trucks, DPFs in general are a bad design unless you run at high EGTs like heavy towing at highway speeds. I have a couple savvy buddies who may have something we can do to fix it within the "rules" we will see.

 

[Paradox]

Frankly it looks like most are having trouble with their post def and newer trucks in some fashion. Folks are spending upwards of $100k then, within a few thousand miles, it’s in the shop for weeks at a time and, sometimes again for the same problems.

From my perspective, I’m glad I bought an old Ford 10 cyc gas 4x long bed crew dually from a member here. It tows within the limits I need, has never let me down (and I’ve now put thousands of miles on it over the last year or so) and, all in, with a lift kit, shell, bed rug and other improvements, I’m into it for less than $20k.

 

[v6toy4x]

Frankly it looks like most are having trouble with their post def and newer trucks in some fashion. Folks are spending upwards of $100k then, within a few thousand miles, it’s in the shop for weeks at a time and, sometimes again for the same problems.

From my perspective, I’m glad I bought an old Ford 10 cyc gas 4x long bed crew dually from a member here. It tows within the limits I need, has never let me down (and I’ve now put thousands of miles on it over the last year or so) and, all in, with a lift kit, shell, bed rug and other improvements, I’m into it for less than $20k.

You are right, todays diesel pickups are plagued with emissions issues across the board. When I retired I had always had a company truck I literally woke and said "oh shit" I am going to have to buy a truck. I have a 98.5 dually with 90K but it is not something I want to DD at 60 yrs old, Kudos to @H20 Toie for his old school DD. I did consider going gas but just couldn't do it. We will see if I live to regret that decision, right now that would be a 50/50 bet. It really sucks because I love the truck???

 

[DBO]

As I have mentioned many times..
If I had to tow more than a half ton can do…. And I needed a deisel truck…

I would not buy any of the newer ones that had anytype of DEF systems or Pre Catalytic Systems…

Pretty much 2006, a maybe a few up to 2008.. Nothing after that.

Think about what your paying when you buy a brand new deisel… $80K-$100k out the door
Or
Buy a 2006 model or older… $25K
Rebuild the entire engine, rebuild the entire tranny or upgrade to an Allison, replace the enterior, and you would still have $30K or more left over for paint/body/chasis/rims etc…

You would have a far more reliable truck. For Less money, knowing you will get from point A to B.

BUT THATS ME AND HOW I THINK

Ill be selling my 2006 Ram 2500 soon. Im the original owner. Teir 1 stage three trans installed about a year ago. 184k miles, lots of upgrades. Message me if interested.

 

[Xring01]

Ill be selling my 2006 Ram 2500 soon. Im the original owner. Teir 1 stage three trans installed about a year ago. 184k miles, lots of upgrades. Message me if interested.

I have a fully deleted and highly modified 2017 GMC AT4 2500 4x4 that I love… I truly hope its my last truck, cause I do my best to keep the miles off it.. Its built for towing, and it gets the job done.

Throw you truck in the RDP classifieds, it should get snatched up fast, if its priced in the ball park.

 

[Xring01]

My neighbor had this problem on his 2022 or 23 2500 cummins… his truck was almost lemon lawed over it. Because it pretty much lived in the shop. They pretty much replaced everything emissions related, still had the problem, then changed the MAF sensor and a few other items to the Canadian style units… problem went away about 4 months ago. So far no problems….

He left with a 14000lb trailer on a 45 day tour Eastern NV, UT, WY, MT, SD etc etc etc… I text him once a week regarding his house stuff. But he has not mentioned any problems with his truck… he has been gone 3 weeks ish… so far.

LOL,,, update on my neighbor. Got a text last night. To the effect.

“Towing near the Grand Tetons, and check engine light popped up again. Luckily the guy in the RV Park next to me, had a scanner and is a mechanic. Code showed heater grid connection error. This is one of the “recall’s“ thats already been completed. He cleared the fault and it popped right back up. Either I am selling this piece of shit or deleting it.“

In addition to him…
Another neighbor of mine, who is a Mechanic at Carson City Dodge RAM Jeep…. His 2018 Cummins 2500 4x4 with 105,000 miles… tranny failed. Its not under warranty, Even as a mechanic, he has been trying to get a new/rebuilt on for 2 weeks now and still has not gotten it. LOL…

 

[DBO]

I have a fully deleted and highly modified 2017 GMC AT4 2500 4x4 that I love… I truly hope its my last truck, cause I do my best to keep the miles off it.. Its built for towing, and it gets the job done.

Throw you truck in the RDP classifieds, it should get snatched up fast, if its priced in the ball park.

i will post it in about a week or so. Thank you

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

I have a fully deleted and highly modified 2017 GMC AT4 2500 4x4 that I love… I truly hope its my last truck, cause I do my best to keep the miles off it.. Its built for towing, and it gets the job done.

Throw you truck in the RDP classifieds, it should get snatched up fast, if its priced in the ball park.

What are some of the mods? PM if you like, I’m looking to do something similar (minus the weight loss) for the same make/model (but 3500) for towing heavy.

 

[DBO]

What are some of the mods? PM if you like, I’m looking to do something similar (minus the weight loss) for the same make/model (but 3500) for towing heavy.

Emmm, where do I start.
Factory 4 11 gearing
5.5” lift with Bilstien shocks, Carli Track Bar
Rear Air Bags
Air Dog Lift Pump
Beans Sump
Redhead Steering gear box
Misimoto Trans cooler
Their One stage three transmission
All Aluminum Radiator
Cat delete (but have a muffler made for diesel) not to loud.
Bully Dog Tuner ( only run tow/econ mode) plus it can adjust speedometer for the 35” tires
Method Race Wheels from CJC

 

[DBO]

 

[Xring01]

The only reason I am admitting the below now, is due to the recent supreme court ruling on Chevron Deference, which should reign in the Gov Agency’s from creating laws. This should slow/stop most of the stupid EPA crap we have been enduring for the last 10 years.

100% deleted - probably 750-1000lbs of parts have been removed and are in my attic. (Not Joking).

HSP high flow intercooler and piping
AFE 4” exhaust with 30” Aeroturbine muffler & FTE resonator. Now it can breathe the way its supposed to. Removed the choke points.


upgraded to a CP3 pump. This is critical in my opinion, and its not cheap. Especially when the existing CP4 was still functioning fine, but they are very prone to failure. Removed a huge potential failure point, before it could bite me in the ass.
factory fuel filter delete and upgraded to FASS filter system with a FASS lift pump. I should not have any fuel delivery problems.

Custom tune from PPI to meet my needs/requests, with a Edge CTS 2 monitor/custom mounted in center console. With the above upgrades, lets tune to be a fuel efficient, towing beast, without stressing the engine. Pushing 500hp maybe more and 1000 ft pounds tq or more.

Comfort items: AMP Steps, Back Flip bed cover, LED lighting, Cognito A Arms / Fox 2.5 suspension - leveling.

All oils have been changed to Amsoil synthetic including the diffs, tranny, rear end. BTW… it only gets Amsoil period. Engine oil changes are every 5000 miles. Unless I am on a long road trip.

Sure I am forgetting several things…

Its a beast… it truly does what It was built to do. Thats tow heavy loads with ease, and built for reliability.

 

[DBO]

Great looking truck! I’m sure I’m forgetting a few things here/there like the AFE intake and AFE Air Intake Horn.

 

[TPC]

in all honesty whoever picks it up will be very lucky. everything is fixed and it’s a bad ass truck.

Did you use AMY?

 

[COCA COLA COWBOY]

Just a heads up, you can't drive newer diesel around town all the time. They need at least a 30-50 freeway run to get up to heat and blow the crap out of them. Also, a smog guru I know told me to always run Hot Shots Diesel Extreme. It can be purchased from most Walmarts and Tractor Supplies.

I've been working on my lemon law and I think I am about 9 months in right now. My truck has been working flawlessly so it doesn't bother me at all. Basically, I'm making payments into my savings account until the lemon law is done. When it is over I will decide if I keep the truck or let it go. Right now, I believe I'm going to give it back to them, but we will see the offer the lawyer negotiates.

 

[DBO]

Thanks !

Also has 08+ steering linkage.

 

[DBO]

I’m at my place in California, the truck is at my place in Arizona. I’ll let y’all know when I list it.
Been a good truck but I travel a lot back and fourth so lookin at something newer.

 

[Riverbound]

Did you use AMY?

yes she got it done

 

[575cat]

diesel & grocery gettin no no no

 

[Bowtiepower00]

I have used my 16, and now my 17 Ram for plenty of short trips around town without any emissions related issues. I do however make it a point to get them out on the highway for a long enough period to get them up to temp and regen every few hundred miles.

I just completed the 67A recall on my 17, and received a 4 year extension on the emission system warranty. I have no intention of deleting my truck and don’t mind filling with DEF. It’s nice to be able to hitch up a trailer in the garage with my truck idling and not have the place smell like a tractor pull.

I understand the need for some to delete, but it’s not necessary on every truck. It’s unfortunate that the 5th gens have been so problematic but my experience with the later 4th gen trucks has been trouble free.

 

[Xring01]

I have used my 16, and now my 17 Ram for plenty of short trips around town without any emissions related issues. I do however make it a point to get them out on the highway for a long enough period to get them up to temp and regen every few hundred miles.

I just completed the 67A recall on my 17, and received a 4 year extension on the emission system warranty. I have no intention of deleting my truck and don’t mind filling with DEF. It’s nice to be able to hitch up a trailer in the garage with my truck idling and not have the place smell like a tractor pull.

I understand the need for some to delete, but it’s not necessary on every truck. It’s unfortunate that the 5th gens have been so problematic but my experience with the later 4th gen trucks has been trouble free.

I connect trailers all the time with my truck running. The only time I see a bit of black smoke, is when I floor it…
Hell my 2002 GMC 2500 4x4 always had a soot stain above the exhaust and it was a charcoal truck and it was stock.
The white truck pictured above… find the soot stain… see… deleted, it still runs clean… but I didnt build it for racing. I built it for towing and reliability.