2022-2023 Ram 3500 with the Aisin Transmission - Failure

[COCA COLA COWBOY]

I bought my 2022 Ram 3500 HO with the Aisin Transmission because it's supposed to be rock solid and not have the issues of the 68RFE. 11,000 miles and the transmission failed. No forward movement at all. Apparently, this is a very common problem right now as the C clip that hold the 1-4 gears in causes the failure. I had to have mine towed to the nearest dealership in Escondido and have little confidence that I will get it back anytime soon. They literally are so backlogged he said it may be 2 weeks before they can even look at it. If this thing goes 30 days, I'm lemon lawing this thing.

I just wanted to post in case there are others out there that have late model rams. If you do, I would get the premium AAA coverage for a 100 mile tow in case your en route to the desert when it happens to you.

 

[NicPaus]

Pretty sure that happened to Mellow Tim. Hopefully they gave you a equivalent truck as a loaner.

 

[COCA COLA COWBOY]

Pretty sure that happened to Mellow Tim. Hopefully they gave you an equivalent truck as a loaner.

No loaner! Ridiculous

 

[Icky]

@Melloyellovector might have some insight on if he got paid back on his rentals or not. I think his went out at 15k miles, I've made it to 18k and I'm nervous every time I tow.

There's a few threads on this on Hdrams.com.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

That’s a bummer.

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

Most of these new trucks, including GMs Allison in name only are in self destruct mode from the factory because cutting weight (and therefore strength) is so paramount for fuel economy numbers.

If I bought I new truck I’d spend the coin to have the trans immediately beefed up in all the areas the shops have determined the factory cut corners.

 

[FROGMAN524]

Most of these new trucks, including GMs Allison in name only are in self destruct mode from the factory because cutting weight (and therefore strength) is so paramount for fuel economy numbers.

If I bought I new truck I’d spend the coin to have the trans immediately beefed up in all the areas the shops have determined the factory cut corners.

I've got the 10L1000 and it's been hiccup free for 64,200 miles, most of those with a Derringer set on 4 and about 10,000 miles towing my Hallett on Level 3. Trans temp never gets over 140 around town and never gets over 200 towing in July; even up the Laughlin grade to Golden Valley.

 

[hallett21]

That’s a bummer. I wonder what they changed between the 15-18 era vs these trucks.

 

[Xring01]

As I have mentioned many times..
If I had to tow more than a half ton can do…. And I needed a deisel truck…

I would not buy any of the newer ones that had anytype of DEF systems or Pre Catalytic Systems…

Pretty much 2006, a maybe a few up to 2008.. Nothing after that.

Think about what your paying when you buy a brand new deisel… $80K-$100k out the door
Or
Buy a 2006 model or older… $25K
Rebuild the entire engine, rebuild the entire tranny or upgrade to an Allison, replace the enterior, and you would still have $30K or more left over for paint/body/chasis/rims etc…

You would have a far more reliable truck. For Less money, knowing you will get from point A to B.

BUT THATS ME AND HOW I THINK

 

[Tamalewagon]

I bought my 2022 Ram 3500 HO with the Aisin Transmission because it's supposed to be rock solid and not have the issues of the 68RFE. 11,000 miles and the transmission failed. No forward movement at all. Apparently, this is a very common problem right now as the C clip that hold the 1-4 gears in causes the failure. I had to have mine towed to the nearest dealership in Escondido and have little confidence that I will get it back anytime soon. They literally are so backlogged he said it may be 2 weeks before they can even look at it. If this thing goes 30 days, I'm lemon lawing this thing.

I just wanted to post in case there are others out there that have late model rams. If you do, I would get the premium AAA coverage for a 100 mile tow in case your en route to the desert when it happens to you. View attachment 1211634

I hope they at least gave you a courtesy car and reach around.

 

[CLdrinker]

No loaner! Ridiculous

WTF is the reasoning behind that? It’s under warranty clearly. Call and raise hell.

 

[Ct5]

Disappointing to hear….That’s the truck I’d like to upgrade to eventually. I have a ‘12 with 68rfe with 230,000 miles on it that’s been completely trouble free. One set of brake pads, one set of ball joints, a few sets of tires and regular fluid and filter changes that I do myself. Roughly 50k miles towing my 12k fifth wheel and boat. It has been deleted and turned up way past stock most of its life. I think I’ll just rebuild the trans when it goes and keep it going. I don’t think the $100k is worth it for the def system and 20” tv screen in the dash.

 

[Xring01]

WTF is the reasoning behind that? It’s under warranty clearly. Call and raise hell.

Your assuming they enough loaners…
Ram has a very serious problem right now.
My neighbor is the GM of a Ram Dealer… He was not allowed to sell a Deisel 2500 or 3500 for 3 months awhile back. In addition he tells me about all of the issues like the above.

 

[Your ad here]

As I have mentioned many times..
If I had to tow more than a half ton can do…. And I needed a deisel truck…

I would not buy any of the newer ones that had anytype of DEF systems or Pre Catalytic Systems…

Pretty much 2006, a maybe a few up to 2008.. Nothing after that.

Think about what your paying when you buy a brand new deisel… $80K-$100k out the door
Or
Buy a 2006 model or older… $25K
Rebuild the entire engine, rebuild the entire tranny or upgrade to an Allison, replace the enterior, and you would still have $30K or more left over for paint/body/chasis/rims etc…

You would have a far more reliable truck. For Less money, knowing you will get from point A to B.

BUT THATS ME AND HOW I THINK

Are you a W2 wage earner or self employed?

 

[WhatExit?]

If I bought I new truck I’d spend the coin to have the trans immediately beefed up in all the areas the shops have determined the factory cut corners.

I’m no expert but my understanding is if you modify the transmission on a new truck, you’re going to void the warranty on the transmission at least. Perhaps that’s your point and preference - have a better transmission and give up on the warranty?

 

[575cat]

Friend,s of our,s new 23 suburban engine locked up 3k on it they are trying to lemon law also , all of my last Ram,s and current 1 ton,s have 68rfe no issue,s .

 

[Xring01]

Are you a W2 wage earner or self employed?

W2,
But I have not made a Car Payment (out of my personal budget) in over 20 years.
I get an auto allowance for business vehicles for over 20 years.

 

[81Sprint]

As I have mentioned many times..
If I had to tow more than a half ton can do…. And I needed a deisel truck…

I would not buy any of the newer ones that had anytype of DEF systems or Pre Catalytic Systems…

Pretty much 2006, a maybe a few up to 2008.. Nothing after that.

Think about what your paying when you buy a brand new deisel… $80K-$100k out the door
Or
Buy a 2006 model or older… $25K
Rebuild the entire engine, rebuild the entire tranny or upgrade to an Allison, replace the enterior, and you would still have $30K or more left over for paint/body/chasis/rims etc…

You would have a far more reliable truck. For Less money, knowing you will get from point A to B.

BUT THATS ME AND HOW I THINK

Exactly what I did, sold my '21 Ram 3500 with a nice profit (thanks Covid pricing) and bought a cherry '02 F350 7.3 with under 100k miles. Much more reliable IMO

 

[CLdrinker]

Your assuming they enough loaners…
Ram has a very serious problem right now.
My neighbor is the GM of a Ram Dealer… He was not allowed to sell a Deisel 2500 or 3500 for 3 months awhile back. In addition he tells me about all of the issues like the above.

Isn’t that their problem not the consumers? They should offer reimbursement if they have non available.

 

[hallett21]

Isn’t that their problem not the consumers? They should offer reimbursement if they have non available.

The only time ive heard of a guaranteed loaner is when you negotiate it upfront. I know BMW and Mercedes are good about loaners during service. But I think they do that because they want you out of your lease ASAP

 

[Xring01]

Isn’t that their problem not the consumers? They should offer reimbursement if they have non available.

Where in the sales contract does it state, they “dealer” has an obligation to provide a rental/loaner.
Yes some do have loaner programs, some dont.
Lexus has the best one I have ever seen.
Toyota was pretty much worthless.
Tesla believe it or not, had an amazing system, but it went down hill.
Chevy… hell, never had a reason to use it, because I have never had an issue to use it.

 

[rivermobster]

Your assuming they enough loaners…
Ram has a very serious problem right now.
My neighbor is the GM of a Ram Dealer… He was not allowed to sell a Deisel 2500 or 3500 for 3 months awhile back. In addition he tells me about all of the issues like the above.

Every dealership I ever worked at called Enterprise (for a rental) when we ran out of loaner cars.

I never worked for Dodge though.

I recommend the OP call the Cust. Sat. line and raise hell!!!

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

I’m no expert but my understanding is if you modify the transmission on a new truck, you’re going to void the warranty on the transmission at least. Perhaps that’s your point and preference - have a better transmission and give up on the warranty?

Unless they could see the tool marks on the bolts to see if the trans was removed, everything is internal. It’s basically replacing the gear sets and clutch packs. The steels in the factory trans are supposedly short time parts.

Again this is just based on my research into the common issues for the truck I am interested in (GM). But I doubt the other makes are not doing the same in the name of fuel economy.

 

[Ace in the Hole]

WTF is the reasoning behind that? It’s under warranty clearly. Call and raise hell.

That is 100% on the dealer… I had to do the major fuel system recall on my 2020 and Anderson gave me a loaner no questions asked.

There is a massive shortage of diesel techs at the ram dealers from what I’ve seen and heard/experienced.

 

[Your ad here]

As I have mentioned many times..
If I had to tow more than a half ton can do…. And I needed a deisel truck…

I would not buy any of the newer ones that had anytype of DEF systems or Pre Catalytic Systems…

Pretty much 2006, a maybe a few up to 2008.. Nothing after that.

Think about what your paying when you buy a brand new deisel… $80K-$100k out the door
Or
Buy a 2006 model or older… $25K
Rebuild the entire engine, rebuild the entire tranny or upgrade to an Allison, replace the enterior, and you would still have $30K or more left over for paint/body/chasis/rims etc…

You would have a far more reliable truck. For Less money, knowing you will get from point A to B.

BUT THATS ME AND HOW I THINK

BTW it's spelled diesel, not deisel.

 

[CLdrinker]

Where in the sales contract does it state, they “dealer” has an obligation to provide a rental/loaner.
Yes some do have loaner programs, some dont.
Lexus has the best one I have ever seen.
Toyota was pretty much worthless.
Tesla believe it or not, had an amazing system, but it went down hill.
Chevy… hell, never had a reason to use it, because I have never had an issue to use it.

Took my Ram 1500 in for warranty work and they didn’t have loaners available. They went to sales and grabbed a brand new Durango off the lot.
Worked out great for them. We ended up buying one lol.

It may not be written anywhere that they have to supply you a loaner. But telling someone to figure out their own transportation while their vehicle waits for warranty repairs is got to be great for marketing lol.

Sounds like something an RV dealership would do.

 

[69hondo]

80k vehicle and only good for 11000 miles. I would lemon law it right now!

 

[rivermobster]

Took my Ram 1500 in for warranty work and they didn’t have loaners available. They went to sales and grabbed a brand new Durango off the lot.
Worked out great for them. We ended up buying one lol.

It may not be written anywhere that they have to supply you a loaner. But telling someone to figure out their own transportation while their vehicle waits for warranty repairs is got to be great for marketing lol.

Sounds like something an RV dealership would do.

RV?

You spelled Dodge wrong.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

RV?

You spelled Dodge wrong.

No he spelled Polaris wrong.

 

[69hondo]

What happened to the quality of the manufacturers.

 

[pronstar]

If I bought I new truck I’d spend the coin to have the trans immediately beefed up in all the areas the shops have determined the factory cut corners.

Yeah I did just that by replacing my 6L80 torque converter before it failed…because it’s a matter of “if” not “when”, and when it fails it takes the rest of the tranny with it.

 

[Brokeboatin221]

Hate to say it but the days of having the “latest and greatest” ain’t the case anymore. New stuff lacks longevity and quality that was once the norm. Bummer to see this being a problem especially after the dreaded CP4 issues. I will keep my old clunker and ungrade it when it breaks.

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

Hate to say it but the days of having the “latest and greatest” ain’t the case anymore. New stuff lacks longevity and quality that was once the norm. Bummer to see this being a problem especially after the dreaded CP4 issues. I will keep my old clunker and ungraded it when it breaks.

It’s called planned obsolescence. Why build a car that lasts forever when your goal is to get people to keep buying cars. So make it last long enough to get past the warranty period and hope they trade it in for a new car. Rinse and repeat. Customer pays for a car for life with the constant trade-in/trade-up.

 

[timstoy]

Took my Ram 1500 in for warranty work and they didn’t have loaners available. They went to sales and grabbed a brand new Durango off the lot.
Worked out great for them. We ended up buying one lol.

It may not be written anywhere that they have to supply you a loaner. But telling someone to figure out their own transportation while their vehicle waits for warranty repairs is got to be great for marketing lol.

Sounds like something an RV dealership would do.

I think that’s the plan to get you to buy a new car!

 

[Xring01]

Hate to say it but the days of having the “latest and greatest” ain’t the case anymore. New stuff lacks longevity and quality that was once the norm. Bummer to see this being a problem especially after the dreaded CP4 issues. I will keep my old clunker and ungraded it when it breaks.

Ford is the master of “Engineered to Fail” , the others aren’t far behind them in todays vehicles.

 

[Vib]

I guess I'm feeling pretty fortunate. My '18 ram 3500 w Aisin has been great so far. Just turned past 36k miles

 

[rivermobster]

Ford is the master of “Engineered to Fail” , the others aren’t far behind them in todays vehicles.

My 1999 F350 says different.

 

[Xring01]

Took my Ram 1500 in for warranty work and they didn’t have loaners available. They went to sales and grabbed a brand new Durango off the lot.
Worked out great for them. We ended up buying one lol.

It may not be written anywhere that they have to supply you a loaner. But telling someone to figure out their own transportation while their vehicle waits for warranty repairs is got to be great for marketing lol.

Sounds like something an RV dealership would do.

As I stated, some do, some dont…
Lexus… hell even for an oil change. Drop off the vehicle at 8am… take a brand new loaner home, sometimes we didnt return it for 2–3 days. Just tell them you where to busy…. Made a few nice road trips in new Lexus‘s that way… Vegas, Santa Barbara LOL.

Tesla was similar, but it went down hill fast.

 

[Xring01]

My 1999 F350 says different.

Newer ones… all manufactures newer models, are engineered to fail.

But Ford beat the others to the punch and started that process before the other majors, who followed shortly after.

Even Toyota is on that program now.

Because its more profitable all the way around for them, more service work, more parts sales, and cars get replaced quicker, meaning higher sales volume over time.

Back in the day..
Cummins 5.9L was known as 1 Million Mile Motor..
How many people will say that about the new 6.7???

Ford 7.3… compared to the 6.0, of 6.3 or latest generations…

Chevy 6.6 has been a pretty consistent engine… but they cant say that about the 5.3s…

You can open up a huge can of worms when you start comparing transmissions… and we are back to the start of this thread… See how I tied it all together… see I am not as dumb as I look. I know its hard to believe, but its true.

 

[rivermobster]

Newer ones… all manufactured Newer ones..
But Ford beat the others to the punch and started that process before the other majors, who followed shortly after.

Even Toyota is on that program now.

Point taken.

Although, Ford builds their own stuff, unlike Izuzu and Cummings. I mean Chebby and Dodge!

Sorry, my bad.

 

[adam909]

As I stated, some do, some dont…
Lexus… hell even for an oil change. Drop off the vehicle at 8am… take a brand new loaner home, sometimes we didnt return it for 2–3 days. Just tell them you where to busy…. Made a few nice road trips in new Lexus‘s that way… Vegas, Santa Barbara LOL.

Tesla was similar, but it went down hill fast.

My wife loves lexus for this reason.. I hate seeing what the lexus dealers charge but I bite the bullet due to wife is always happy getting her car serviced at the lexus dealer..

 

[Xring01]

Point taken.

Although, Ford builds their own stuff, unlike Izuzu and Cummings. I mean Chebby and Dodge!

Sorry, my bad.

You gotta watch your spelling here. Some Nazis on them threds who get all kinds of butte hert if you miss spell sumthang.
Just saying.. Just saying.

 

[timstoy]

Point taken.

Although, Ford builds their own stuff, unlike Izuzu and Cummings. I mean Chebby and Dodge!

Sorry, my bad.

Not your 7.3!

 

[Xring01]

My wife loves lexus for this reason.. I hate seeing what the lexus dealers charge but I bite the bullet due to wife is always happy getting her car serviced at the lexus dealer..

Shit… Walk in, grab a FREE freshly made capacino at the coffee bar, grab a pastry, hit a few golf balls on the golf simulator… please ask me how I know.
Lexus of Escondido took great care of us when we lived in Murrieta.

 

[dread Pirate]

Point taken.

Although, Ford builds their own stuff, unlike Izuzu and Cummings. I mean Chebby and Dodge!

Sorry, my bad.

7.3 is designed by International

 

[timstoy]

7.3 is designed by International

Intertrashnal!

 

[Icky]

The worst part is they haven't issued a recall yet and are just fixing them as they break.

 

[DLow]

Every dealership I ever worked at called Enterprise (for a rental) when we ran out of loaner cars.

I never worked for Dodge though.

I recommend the OP call the Cust. Sat. line and raise hell!!!

Ford is the master of “Engineered to Fail” , the others aren’t far behind them in todays vehicles.

The Ford dealership that fixed the turbo/exhaust manifold issue on our 3.5 under warranty has an Enterprise rental inside the building.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

7.3 is designed by International

And 6.0 by Navistar..

So the ones that didn’t blow up are too slow to make it into the future.

 

[OCMerrill]

Point taken.

Although, Ford builds their own stuff, unlike Izuzu and Cummings. I mean Chebby and Dodge!

Sorry, my bad.

Sure they do.

Only spent 1983-2010 buying engines from Navistar.
Dana Axles
Borg Warner Transfer cases

Make all their own stuff...