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If you look at this page there is more Info. http://lakepowell.water-data.com/

It says the reservoirs above lake Powell are at 65% of capacity. I think those reservoirs need to fill up quickly for lake Powell to see a huge benefit. Another thought is Lake Powell at full pool isnt ideal. There is much more beaches and coves when it’s lower. Just don’t like seeing it this low.
 

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I want to go back, its been too long.
 

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Powell PR in Sept is on my list of things to do.
Not having a kid in HS next year sure opens up opportunities
 

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It's kinda like an upside down triangle. At this level of 3570, getting a 30 ft rise in lake level can happen pretty quickly. From 3600 to 3630 probably takes 3x the amount of water. Then the next 30ft takes 10x the amount of water. It covers such a broad area that it won't fill this year by any means, but getting a nice boost like this years snowpack will definitely help the overall lake level for a couple of years. As a quick history lesson the lake was never intended to by kept at full pool. Long term water level is somewhere around 3640-3670. I personally like the lake best around 3610- 3640. Lots of excellent beaches and at that level most canyons are huge to explore. I've been there from everything from 3565 to 3708. Yes 3708 is in the eighties when it was 8 feet over full pool and they had giant scaffolding type barriers set on top of the dam to hold water back.

Anyways I watch this water info page pretty much year because I love going to the lake. Typically 2 week long trips a year. Last year we added in a trip on the rzr's and it was incredible to get to alstrom point, and warm creek via rzr.
 
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It would be fun to watch peoples boats float off the beach every 30 minutes as the water rises
 

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been to powell when it was full was great and all but i like it 3615ft for certain canyons.Im pretty sure its gonna come up 40-50 ft this year.
 

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I was on Powell in the early 80.... water was 10' from top of dam... Wahweap Marina was 5-6' under water.....

AWESOME TIMES!!!!

PS, we also Houseboated on Lake Mead in 2000, at full pool....
 

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the new "official full pool" I think is now 3680'
 

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Ya I am calling bullshit on the story about having scaffolding holding back water. Never happened.
 

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Ya I am calling bullshit on the story about having scaffolding holding back water. Never happened.

I remember they sand bags stacked 10' high.... many sump pumps running 24/7..... iry feeling when inside the store....

I don't remember any scaffolding...but I sure was there...
 

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Ya I am calling bullshit on the story about having scaffolding holding back water. Never happened.

Let's just say
They were very lucky .
One of the overflow spill way tunnels was doing the same thing . Orville spill way did. Not to that extent but they used plywood and what ever they could to hold back water. They misjudged the spring run off Along with a few spring storms .
That played havoc on the entire Colorado River system in 1983 ?
 

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Let's just say
They were very lucky .
One of the overflow spill way tunnels was doing the same thing . Orville spill way did. Not to that extent but they used plywood and what ever they could to hold back water. They misjudged the spring run off Along with a few spring storms .
That played havoc on the entire Colorado River system in 1983 ?
Good pull!!!!! I forgot about the plywood on the dam.....

Shit.... I gotta now get in the attic and check out our old photos!!!!
 

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Ya I am calling bullshit on the story about having scaffolding holding back water. Never happened.
Ok, it was more like concrete forms. And yes it happened. I was there. There is video of the whole ordeal floating around I'll find it. It shows the forms leaking but doing the job.
 

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Also...at full pull... water level is near or just below the base of Rainbow Bridge...
 

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Looks like the plywood was used on the gates, not the dam itself. The runoff in 1983 was huge. Lake Mead was also filled to capacity, and water flowed into the Hoover Dam spillways and diversion tunnels for the first time since a test flow in 1941.

I really hope the next few years provide enough runoff to get Powell and Mead close to full.
 

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Looks like the plywood was used on the gates, not the dam itself. The runoff in 1983 was huge. Lake Mead was also filled to capacity, and water flowed into the Hoover Dam spillways and diversion tunnels for the first time since a test flow in 1941.

I really hope the next few years provide enough runoff to get Powell and Mead close to full.
Is that the same year Parker and the lower river flooded?
 

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Douwn here in Southwest Colorado, we're about 140% of normal calling for more snow next week. The Animas river has been running higher than average for the past 4 weeks and the temps are in the high 40's during the day. Now we're worried about flooding the the 416 burn areas is it stops freezing at night.
 

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Looks like the plywood was used on the gates, not the dam itself. The runoff in 1983 was huge. Lake Mead was also filled to capacity, and water flowed into the Hoover Dam spillways and diversion tunnels for the first time since a test flow in 1941.

I really hope the next few years provide enough runoff to get Powell and Mead close to full.
These were on the gates and the dam crest. Still looking for the other pics.
 
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early 90s we use to be able to go right up against the dam i would take one of the stand ups and ski right along it hand out touching it as i rode by.Was an weird feeling though being right up against it thinking what if this dam failed right now.Think about 86 87 first time we went to rainbow bridge water was under we use to jump off the cliff into the water next year park service said no cant do anymore,
 

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Great video, thanks for posting it.

The ability of water moving at over 100 MPH to destroy concrete is amazing. The spillways at Hoover Dam were also severely damaged during the 1983 runoff.

Significant modifications were made to the spillway gates, and the cavitation damage in the tunnels was repaired in the same manner as was done at the Glen Canyon Dam.
 

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These were on the gates and the dam crest. Still looking for the other pics.
Your going to be looking a long time ,because they never put plywood on that damn to hold back more water. Those spillways are way before the damn and lower.
 

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Your going to be looking a long time ,because they never put plywood on that damn to hold back more water. Those spillways are way before the damn and lower.


Been going to Powell for longer than most people around these parts. If you know so much. Please enlighten us.

The spillways are next to the dam. FYI
 

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Here you can see spillways tucked into the canyon wall on both sides and well before the damn
 

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I thought this was entertaining to show just how wrong they got the long term forecast.

It’s good to see Mother Nature continuing to prove “experts” wrong.
 

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My great uncle ran the repair job for Adkinson on GC, he said there was holes in the spillway and the abutments the size of 2 story houses when he went in there and they pumped concrete 24/7 for 6 months. This is also why river flooded so bad that year, he says they had to release as much as down river could take so the dam didn't give way.

He said it was touch & go and only those on the inside know how bad/close it really was. Here's passed now but nobody said a word for a long time.
 

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Dams are just plain fascinating to me.
should of been a career path for me, in my younger years.
oh well, in my next life.

I'm the same way.

I first visited Hoover Dam in 1970, when I was thirteen. I've been back a half dozen times, and read every book and watched every video I could find. It fascinates me to this day.

In the 70s and 80s, the tour lasted well over an hour. They would take you into the 50' diameter penstock tunnels to see the giant pipes carrying the water as the ground vibrated from the flow, and a couple dozen other places that are off limits now.

Those 30' diameter penstock sections were built in a fab shop located on the Nevada side from 2 ¾" steel plate that was rolled, riveted, welded, machined, and heat treated. The edges were end milled to true them up, then cut to 1⅜" thickness with an enormous external radius lathe and punched with rivet holes to make male and female connection surfaces. The heat treating facility was a natural gas fired giant insulated sheet steel box where each piece of the penstocks were heated to 1,700° for stress relief.

They were then hauled up a road on the first hydraullically steered multiple wheel trailers that are common today, with two Cat bulldozers pushing and pulling. When they reached the canyon edge, the huge 150 ton capacity cableway lowered them to the canyon floor, where they were wrestled into the penstock tunnels. I posted a photo below of the general arrangement of the penstock system.

After completing the dam over two years ahead of schedule, Six Companies' General Superintendent Frank Crowe was paid a $300,000 bonus, equivalent to $5.5 million in 2019 dollars. After completing Hoover Dam, he continued to oversee other dam projects across the West, including Parker Dam and Shasta Dam.

Hoover Dam is indeed the Eighth Wonder of the World.

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I'm the same way.

I first visited Hoover Dam in 1970, when I was thirteen. I've been back a half dozen times, and read every book and watched every video I could find. It fascinates me to this day.

In the 70s and 80s, the tour lasted well over an hour. They would take you into the 50' diameter penstock tunnels to see the giant pipes carrying the water as the ground vibrated from the flow, and a couple dozen other places that are off limits now.

Those 30' diameter penstock sections were built in a fab shop located on the Nevada side from 2 ¾" steel plate that was rolled, riveted, welded, machined, and heat treated. The edges were end milled to true them up, then cut to 1⅜" thickness with an enormous external radius lathe and punched with rivet holes to make male and female connection surfaces. The heat treating facility was a natural gas fired giant insulated sheet steel box where each piece of the penstocks were heated to 1,700° for stress relief.

They were then hauled up a road on the first hydraullically steered multiple wheel trailers that are common today, with two Cat bulldozers pushing and pulling. When they reached the canyon edge, the huge 150 ton capacity cableway lowered them to the canyon floor, where they were wrestled into the penstock tunnels. I posted a photo below of the general arrangement of the penstock system.

After completing the dam over two years ahead of schedule, Six Companies' General Superintendent Frank Crowe was paid a $300,000 bonus, equivalent to $5.5 million in 2019 dollars. After completing Hoover Dam, he continued to oversee other dam projects across the West, including Parker Dam and Shasta Dam.

Hoover Dam is indeed the Eighth Wonder of the World.

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Super Intertesting.
I took the same tour in 1975. When I was 10 .
im thank full for YouTube. As I catch myself watching videos of dams from all over the world .

going on a tour of Morris Dam on the san gabriel River in the next few weeks.
I met a young civil engineer , in my business , and he gave me a public viewing invite . Looking forward to the day.
 

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That's Frank Crowe on the right of the group in the penstock section photo I posted. He was 6'6" tall, a commanding figure and truly a genius. His labor saving ideas made construction go smoothly from beginning to end.
 
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The entity that built Hoover Dam was a consortium of some of the largest civil contractors in the world. They pooled their resources to supply the $5 million bid bond.

The companies:

Henry J. Kaiser Co. of Oakland, California and Bechtel Corporation of San Francisco (Bechtel-Kaiser): 30%

MacDonald and Kahn of Los Angeles, California: 20%

Utah Construction Company of Ogden, Utah: 20%

Morrison-Knudsen of Boise, Idaho: 10%,

Pacific Bridge Company of Portland, Oregon: 10%

J.F. Shea Co of Portland, Oregon: 10%

The Six Companies Inc. won the contract in 1931, after a bid of $48,890,955 (equivalent to $637 million in 2016). The project was so complex and large that only three bids were received. The Six Companies Inc. bid was $5,000,000 lower than the next bidder, meaning a bid-spread of almost 10%.

The Six Companies completed construction of "Boulder Dam—Hoover Dam" two years ahead of schedule in 1935, although it took nine years (1938–47) under relative secrecy, to fix serious leaks with a supplemental grout curtain.
 

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Yes. It was a strange sight to see the Parker Dam gates open.


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I flew out from back east for a job interview at McCulloch that year. Afterwards I drove down to see the area and just assumed 4 wide open gates was the norm. Still have the pic I snapped of it.

Our first year at Moonridge the Cabanas were under water by 6” and that was after it went down.
 

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Super Intertesting.
I took the same tour in 1975. When I was 10 .
im thank full for YouTube. As I catch myself watching videos of dams from all over the world .

going on a tour of Morris Dam on the san gabriel River in the next few weeks.
I met a young civil engineer , in my business , and he gave me a public viewing invite . Looking forward to the day.
That would be cool to see Morris. I did a job for a guy that worked there years ago with the navy had some cool stories. But did say the fishing was really good too.
 

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The Six Companies Inc. won the contract in 1931, after a bid of $48,890,955

The Six Companies completed construction of "Boulder Dam—Hoover Dam" two years ahead of schedule in 1935, although it took nine years (1938–47) under relative secrecy, to fix serious leaks with a supplemental grout curtain.

Shit...those walls still leak to this day....

The DAMN DAM tour is AWESOME!!!
 

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That would be cool to see Morris. I did a job for a guy that worked there years ago with the navy had some cool stories. But did say the fishing was really good too.

Yes and every tour is supposedly filled every time.
With a wating list . Sometimes they do a test of letting water out one of the valves.

Looking forward to it.
 
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