On the Mexico and Canada Tariffs

[was thatguy]

YoRe missing out Tommy.

It’s a carb thing.
I’m down 18 pounds since you last saw me!

 

[was thatguy]

Let's switch it up for you then.

I need 10 more Mac laptops for engineering.

How do I buy or make sure they are American?

It’s not a complete solution.
What we can, where we can, when we can.

 

[lbhsbz]

Now do the isles of Walmart. I hear you but there is much more. Not that we have to do it all in the US we just need to do more.

I understand. I deal with both China and US suppliers....the China suppliers are for the most part easier to deal with....like they actually want to do business with me and take my money. Many US suppliers are so fucked up its incomprehensible. Maybe they should act right, then I'd give them my money. We've never even made it far enough to discuss pricing.....they simply don't want to work it seems.

 

[lbhsbz]

Let's switch it up for you then.

I need 10 more Mac laptops for engineering.

How do I buy or make sure they are American?

Tariff Chinese Mac laptops and wait a year? lol

 

[t&y]

It seems to me like we are all supposed to approach this tariff issue as if someone is holding a gun to our heads to continue purchasing at the rate we all currently do. Is there a law or something I missed that says we must continue to spend our money? Or do we still have the freedom to simply not buy everything we see?

What happens when all these horrible death to america taxes/tariff's hit the market and the demand for everything simply drops? Does the U.S. Government have to continue to buy anyways.... you know, to make up for all us "Little guys" just getting by in life? Or is it possible that overall demand will fall and imports will drop, not only effecting all us poor soon to be eliminated U.S. Citizens, but also all those manufactures who have guns to their heads and must continue to sell their products without price adjustment?

I just reupped my tinfoil hat supply, and I'm putting a 500% tariff on anyone buying them that didn't vote for Trump... Order up fellas!

 

[17 10 Flat]

Not deflecting at all. I was curious is there was a reason for the ban, or if it's just because some people are too stupid to understand the human issue we have versus the color or attachments on a rifle.

And I agree Infinity % that each country should secure their own border and weigh down severe punishment for those who try to cross it illegally. If you have been paying attention, this country has been talking forever about how fix that issue with nothing but roadblocks from our politicians. Do you believe a country should ignore their neighbors, if their neighbors are not doing anything to prevent the flow of illegal goods out of their country? I believe our border security should not only be focusing on things and people coming in, but also what is getting out.

I VOTED FOR THE GUY who is actually taking steps to secure it. I can't control if our politicians continue to use legislation as a talking point.

So I'll ask again, are all semi-auto rifles banned in Canada, is there a real problem with mass shooting where banned weapons were used, or is it just a political talking point like it is here in the states?

It's more difficult to be a dictator when the population is armed. No weapons much more obideant.

 

[Uncle Dave]

It seems to me like we are all supposed to approach this tariff issue as if someone is holding a gun to our heads to continue purchasing at the rate we all currently do. Is there a law or something I missed that says we must continue to spend our money? Or do we still have the freedom to simply not buy everything we see?

What happens when all these horrible death to america taxes/tariff's hit the market and the demand for everything simply drops? Does the U.S. Government have to continue to buy anyways.... you know, to make up for all us "Little guys" just getting by in life? Or is it possible that overall demand will fall and imports will drop, not only effecting all us poor soon to be eliminated U.S. Citizens, but also all those manufactures who have guns to their heads and must continue to sell their products without price adjustment?

I just reupped my tinfoil hat supply, and I'm putting a 500% tariff on anyone buying them that didn't vote for Trump... Order up fellas!

How big a deal is it if our economic growth stops or our GPD shrinks?

Can I just decide to buy fewer groceries for my family of 5? light bulbs TP, and a thousand other consumable - somewhat. Sure I can put off car for while but there is a core spending I cannot simply reduce that will be taxed going forward because I have no domestic choices.

This effect of this varies from person to person and business to business.

Buying less= selling less.

The private sector and government employees have very different realities.

I dont really know if you are working or retired but from what I know you are a working cop.
You only get hurt on the spend side. Your income side wont suffer at all.
You are a government worker right? You get regular raises right?
Your income isn't really effected as its paid by the government, negotiated and guaranteed by others and your retirement also paid for by others so you can basically flip the bird to the private sector because you are covered, you aren't the little guy.
You are the big guy benefitting from the tax money your department gets from this.

For people that need their 401Ks to grow in order to pay their retirement and bills, growth is critical. Growth in commerce, and growth in stock.

I really want to see manufacturing come back, and I want to see economic growth, but that side of the program simply doenst exists as of yet.

All I've seen is the taxation side being sold as something that its not.
It's being sold as a penalty to " offenders", but it's not that at all.

 

[lbhsbz]

How big a deal is it if our economic growth stops or our GPD shrinks?

Can I just decide to buy fewer groceries for my family of 5? light bulbs TP, and a thousand other consumable - somewhat. Sure I can put off car for while but there is a core spending I cannot simply reduce that will be taxed going forward because I have no domestic choices.

This effect of this varies from person to person and business to business.

Buying less= selling less.

The private sector and government employees have very different realities.

I dont really know if you are working or retired but from what I know you are a working cop.
You only get hurt on the spend side. Your income side wont suffer at all.
You are a government worker right? You get regular raises right?
Your income isn't really effected as its paid by the government, negotiated and guaranteed by others and your retirement also paid for by others so you can basically flip the bird to the private sector because you are covered, you aren't the little guy.
You are the big guy benefitting from the tax money your department gets from this.

For people that need their 401Ks to grow in order to pay their retirement and bills, growth is critical. Growth in commerce, and growth in stock.

I really want to see manufacturing come back, and I want to see economic growth, but that side of the program simply doenst exists as of yet.

All I've seen is the taxation side being sold as something that its not.
It's being sold as a penalty to " offenders", but it's not that at all.

only an idiot would think that the tariffs won't raise consumer prices....and we have plenty of those (idiots). The goal is short term pain for long term gain....whether it actually works out like that remains to be seen.

I spoke with a colleague this morning who is pretty livid over what's going on right now....her and her husband are both in their 60s, he's more or less retired and she isn't far behind, but after seeing what's happened to their home value and their 401K, which I'm assuming (based on the conversation) to be the majority of their wealth, she's planning on working until she dies and not too happy about that.

I am fortunate in that the change I made 5 years ago has worked out well and I can weather the storm without issue....but for a lot of the "normal" folks out there....they're gonna be, or are in some level of trouble.

I get it, but you can't make all of the people happy all of the time. A reset to some extent is/was necessary....and it's gonna hurt now, but should, in theory, put us all in a better position....except for the worthless fucks, they'll be way worse off than they are now.

 

[530RL]

How big a deal is it if our economic growth stops or our GPD shrinks?

Can I just decide to buy fewer groceries for my family of 5? light bulbs TP, and a thousand other consumable - somewhat. Sure I can put off car for while but there is a core spending I cannot simply reduce that will be taxed going forward because I have no domestic choices.

This effect of this varies from person to person and business to business.

Buying less= selling less.

The private sector and government employees have very different realities.

I dont really know if you are working or retired but from what I know you are a working cop.
You only get hurt on the spend side. Your income side wont suffer at all.
You are a government worker right? You get regular raises right?
Your income isn't really effected as its paid by the government, negotiated and guaranteed by others and your retirement also paid for by others so you can basically flip the bird to the private sector because you are covered, you aren't the little guy.
You are the big guy benefitting from the tax money your department gets from this.

For people that need their 401Ks to grow in order to pay their retirement and bills, growth is critical. Growth in commerce, and growth in stock.

I really want to see manufacturing come back, and I want to see economic growth, but that side of the program simply doenst exists as of yet.

All I've seen is the taxation side being sold as something that its not.
It's being sold as a penalty to " offenders", but it's not that at all.

On the other hand, this could all be bread and circus.

There were two orders, one was a base 10% tariff on every product from every country. All of them.

The second one is a made up number based upon no one knows but it was done by individual country.

Now imagine a scenario where this is just a big show. Over the next several months Trump goes out into the Rose Garden over and over, states that the other country has bent their knee whether they have or have not, and he removes the made up tariff number one country at a time. And he does this repeatedly showing the world how successful he has been.

His base cheers his "success", and businesses are simply left with a base 10 percent tariff, a number that is only about double what the collective total of tariffs collected by the US government was prior to this charade. And on top of it, businesses can keep the price increases in place.

Not out of the realm of possibilities.

 

[Sandlord]

Let's switch it up for you then.

I need 10 more Mac laptops for engineering.

How do I buy or make sure they are American?

Apple is investing 500 Billion in factories in the USA.
Give it time.

 

[Sandlord]

On the other hand, this could all be bread and circus.

There were two orders, one was a base 10% tariff on every product from every country. All of them.

The second one is a made up number based upon no one knows but it was done by individual country.

Now imagine a scenario where this is just a big show. Over the next several months Trump goes out into the Rose Garden over and over, states that the other country has bent their knee whether they have or have not, and he removes the made up tariff number one country at a time. And he does this repeatedly showing the world how successful he has been.

His base cheers his "success", and businesses are simply left with a base 10 percent tariff, a number that is only about double what the collective total of tariffs collected by the US government was prior to this charade. And on top of it, businesses can keep the price increases in place.

Not out of the realm of possibilities.

Fixed it for you.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Apple is investing 500 Billion in factories in the USA.
Give it time.

Great. I dont have 3 years or even 6 months.

 

[Sandlord]

Great. I dont have 3 years or even 6 months.

Should have voted for trump in 2020. You would be there by now.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Should have voted for trump in 2020. You would be there by now.

I've waited 7 years for any results from the tariffs I started paying in March of 2018.

"Just wait relief is coming" is a broken promise.

 

[Canuck 1]

It is pretty simple, cancel your US tariffs and secure yore border. Is that really hard to understand?

There are no tariffs, there are anti-dumping tariffs that apply both ways, Alberta's border is secure

 

[t&y]

How big a deal is it if our economic growth stops or our GPD shrinks?

Can I just decide to buy fewer groceries for my family of 5? light bulbs TP, and a thousand other consumable - somewhat. Sure I can put off car for while but there is a core spending I cannot simply reduce that will be taxed going forward because I have no domestic choices.

This effect of this varies from person to person and business to business.

Yes, you can decide to buy less for your family of 5 like I will have to do for my family of 6. We are not talking about core needs here, we are talking excess. End the doom and gloom dude. Hold off on the 200k pontoon, or trips to Vegas and only spend on what's really needed. Not referencing you literally, but you get the point.

Buying less= selling less.

The private sector and government employees have very different realities.

I dont really know if you are working or retired but from what I know you are a working cop.
You only get hurt on the spend side. Your income side wont suffer at all.
You are a government worker right? You get regular raises right?
Your income isn't really effected as its paid by the government, negotiated and guaranteed by others and your retirement also paid for by others so you can basically flip the bird to the private sector because you are covered, you aren't the little guy.
You are the big guy benefitting from the tax money your department gets from this.

A lot to unpack there. Working yes. Regular pay raises... hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah... takes a breath... hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Maybe we need to hire you to negotiate. I think an honest look at that would have to done department by department, but I can guarantee you my department is decades behind other local Cali departments with no visible catch up in the future. If I were much younger in my career, I'd go to the trades, learn my way, and build my own business for stability. I did not become a cop because I thought they made a lot of money. As of now, yes I'm pretty much on a fixed income, paid for by the very taxes I pay right along with everyone else who wants to live in a modern society and enjoy all those benefits. Yes, I will have a pension when I retire that will barely allow me to live in Cali at this point, and given how the world is ending, probably nowhere. You ever met a Cop who became rich by only being a Cop? Lower middle class is probably a good reference for most. But if you think that equates to being the Big Guy then we'll go with it. And to that point, anybody who became a cop to get rich is either a complete idiot or corrupt. That is an entirely different conversatio to be had.

For people that need their 401Ks to grow in order to pay their retirement and bills, growth is critical. Growth in commerce, and growth in stock.

I really want to see manufacturing come back, and I want to see economic growth, but that side of the program simply doenst exists as of yet.

All I've seen is the taxation side being sold as something that its not.
It's being sold as a penalty to " offenders", but it's not that at all.

Who do you know personally that thought Trump bringing in these Tariff's would have no effect on the price of goods in America? I do not know a single person that thought that, but if you read this thread, apparently we've all been fooled this whole time. Maybe I need to start hanging around more gullible people.

Can you look to the future here and see any benefit? I think the major problem we have now across the board is too many people want everything right now. They expect no hard times, no slow downs, just all positives and full benefits upfront. That is a reality I've never known and have only known to exist is extremely wealthy generational type family's. I refer to them as the Big Guys, not my kind.

 

[JDKRXW]

So I'll ask again, are all semi-auto rifles banned in Canada, is there a real problem with mass shooting where banned weapons were used,

No and I don't know.

 

[t&y]

On the other hand, this could all be bread and circus.

There were two orders, one was a base 10% tariff on every product from every country. All of them.

The second one is a made up number based upon no one knows but it was done by individual country.

Now imagine a scenario where this is just a big show. Over the next several months Trump goes out into the Rose Garden over and over, states that the other country has bent their knee whether they have or have not, and he removes the made up tariff number one country at a time. And he does this repeatedly showing the world how successful he has been.

His base cheers his "success", and businesses are simply left with a base 10 percent tariff, a number that is only about double what the collective total of tariffs collected by the US government was prior to this charade. And on top of it, businesses can keep the price increases in place.

Not out of the realm of possibilities.

Nope, everybody is starving by next week. End of story.

 

[t&y]

There are no tariffs, there are anti-dumping tariffs that apply both ways, Alberta's border is secure

Oh yeah, Well I'm gonna sneak across that border tonight and I'm bringing a MAGA hat with me! Besides, that is where I heard RD had Regor deported to so I'm going to break him out!

 

[monkeyswrench]

The folks that are only effected by the "spend side", have been feeling the constant pressure of increased prices for several years. This is not new territory or pain for a large percentage of the population. Others will feel it now, because it hits them two fold. On the spend side, their personal/household spending may have been a much smaller percentage of their bottom line. Not very noticeable really.

Buckle up buttercups, welcome to the party

 

[Canuck 1]

Oh, so we have a east vs west coast kind of battle going on here. So what product does the West side of Canada provide that all us down here in the U.S.A. can't get from somewhere else?

To the contrary. It has always sounded to me like the moves Trump is making are in an effort to not have to purchase your oil. Maybe you haven't thought this through as the west side might still have the oil, but if we aren't buying "4 million" barrels a day from you, how does that play out for not only the east side, but those on the west side selling it?

It really sounds to me like Canada relies on the U.S. to refine a large portion of their oil regardless of coast. Am I wrong here?

The east vs west is a canadian thing, and has been for 100+ years, ottawa sticks its head up its ass and Alberta gets the bill to pay for its removal.

The third largest oil reserves in the world from a stable area is what you get, remember the oil embargos? This whole system was developed to avoid that ever happening again, yes we can be replaced but so can you, and it will cost both sides a fortune in money and time.... for nothing.

Trump has factored Alberta in and if he can buy it for less he will, part of his game. Refineries are built to scale, cheaper to ship crude than refined product and a large refinery complex can service an area like around the Great Lakes including southern Ontario. Far eastern and western canada do refine all their needs.

Look at the maps, this is an integrated system

 

[Canuck 1]

Oh yeah, Well I'm gonna sneak across that border tonight and I'm bringing a MAGA hat with me! Besides, that is where I heard RD had Regor deported to so I'm going to break him out!

Sneak? Just drive over and I have a hat or two you can choose from while we have a beer and throw the empties at Regors cage

 

[530RL]

Nope, everybody is starving by next week. End of story.

It is goods on the water after the 5th for the 10 percent and after the 9th for the other made up number.

So the real impact on costs is at least a month out.

Naturally prices will rise before then, just as the stock market goes down before any impact actually happens in operations.

We raised prices today on existing inventory, as it is the new market price today.

The folks that are only effected by the "spend side", have been feeling the constant pressure of increased prices for several years. This is not new territory or pain for a large percentage of the population. Others will feel it now, because it hits them two fold. On the spend side, their personal/household spending may have been a much smaller percentage of their bottom line. Not very noticeable really.

Buckle up buttercups, welcome to the party

Yep, this tax increase if very regressive as it is basically just a sales tax on all goods sold.

The rich will not even blink as the vast majority of their income is not spent on consumption, the working middle class will get hammered as they try to balance income with the new higher prices. But to be fair they voted for this with full knowledge of the proven consequences. They are getting exactly what they have voted for so that should provide some comfort.

 

[t&y]

It is goods on the water after the 5th for the 10 percent and after the 9th for the other made up number.

So the real impact on costs is at least a month out.

Naturally prices will rise before then, just as the stock market goes down before any impact actually happens in operations.

We raised prices today on existing inventory, as it is the new market price today.


Yep, this tax increase if very regressive as it is basically just a sales tax on all goods sold.

The rich will not even blink as the vast majority of their income is not spent on consumption, the working middle class will get hammered as they try to balance income with the new higher prices. But to be fair they voted for this with full knowledge of the proven consequences. They are getting exactly what they have voted for so that should provide some comfort.

Good news, another month until the end of our existence... Gotta go and start knocking out that bucket list.

 

[530RL]

Good news, another month until the end of our existence... Gotta go and start knocking out that bucket list.

It's a little price increase, you and I will be fine.

But you're starting to sound like this guy.......

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1907633214476415050

 

[Sportin' Wood]

Alberta's border is secure

There is a whole lot of nothing on the US/Alberta border, how can you be so sure?
We crossed into BC last year at Rooseville and it as not what I would call secure, just don't leave your automobile idle, that's apparently a crime. Ya'll got some weird rules, but those Rockies are on point.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Yes, you can decide to buy less for your family of 5 like I will have to do for my family of 6. We are not talking about core needs here, we are talking excess. End the doom and gloom dude. Hold off on the 200k pontoon, or trips to Vegas and only spend on what's really needed. Not referencing you literally, but you get the point.


A lot to unpack there. Working yes. Regular pay raises... hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah... takes a breath... hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Maybe we need to hire you to negotiate. I think an honest look at that would have to done department by department, but I can guarantee you my department is decades behind other local Cali departments with no visible catch up in the future. If I were much younger in my career, I'd go to the trades, learn my way, and build my own business for stability. I did not become a cop because I thought they made a lot of money. As of now, yes I'm pretty much on a fixed income, paid for by the very taxes I pay right along with everyone else who wants to live in a modern society and enjoy all those benefits. Yes, I will have a pension when I retire that will barely allow me to live in Cali at this point, and given how the world is ending, probably nowhere. You ever met a Cop who became rich by only being a Cop? Lower middle class is probably a good reference for most. But if you think that equates to being the Big Guy then we'll go with it. And to that point, anybody who became a cop to get rich is either a complete idiot or corrupt. That is an entirely different conversatio to be had.


Who do you know personally that thought Trump bringing in these Tariff's would have no effect on the price of goods in America? I do not know a single person that thought that, but if you read this thread, apparently we've all been fooled this whole time. Maybe I need to start hanging around more gullible people.

Can you look to the future here and see any benefit? I think the major problem we have now across the board is too many people want everything right now. They expect no hard times, no slow downs, just all positives and full benefits upfront. That is a reality I've never known and have only known to exist is extremely wealthy generational type family's. I refer to them as the Big Guys, not my kind.

Totally get the point most can cut somewhere, but I dont remember that part in the sales pitch?

On cutting back buying less and growing less....
How do I keep giving raises or hiring new poeple if Im not growing.
Every bill I have goes up every year and I need t grow along with it.
How do I pay increasing taxes with decreasing revenue?

Nobody I know personally thought this would be anything other than what it is because the people in my circles are guys that run or work in manufacturing business that are global in nature and have been dealing with this for a while now. Many poeple I see posting and talking about this just dont understand whats happening - they all think someone else is actually being punished, or that someone else paying the bill for this.

On what you are paid thats not from a class warfare perspective - Im pointing out for me to pay more I have to make more. My money comes from what I sell. Im pro LE.

Still waiting for the rythm to come and get me......
Im waiting for the benefit - I keep hearing how the good part is coming just wait - but how long and where is it spelled out how this is going to help your average guy?
How does paying more on what most of what you buy help you?

I know how it helps uncle sam, but I haven't yet been shown how it benefits the average guy.

 

[Uncle Dave]

We got two guys

The last guy wanted to sell me idea that paying more taxes was a good thing for me and that it will benefit me in the long run. Still waiting.

This other guy is trying to sell me the same shit in a different way, instead of calling it tax he calls it a tariff which is the same thing, and tell me great things are coming my way. Still waiting.

 

[lbhsbz]

We got two guys

The last guy wanted to sell me idea that paying more taxes was a good thing for me and that it will benefit me in the long run. Still waiting.

This other guy is trying to sell me the same shit in a different way, instead of calling it tax he calls it a tariff which is the same thing, and tell me great things are coming my way. Still waiting.

Assuming I'm one of those 2 guys....I'm not trying to sell you shit.

I'm saying there isn't shit you can do about it, or I can do about it....so your choices are to either give up or figure out how to make the best of it.

 

[Racey]

Lol the guys that got every prediction and analysis about Trump wrong going back almost 10 years now expect to have a serious audience on tariffs

 

[monkeyswrench]

I think there may be a disconnect, or maybe a misunderstanding by some about others. Some feel that "the little guy" just doesn't understand the the tariffs, that some of us just aren't bright enough to understand the consequences. This may be true for some, but not all. I think think there are quite a few that have realized the status quo was leading us to our demise.

This may not be the desired course for some, but it's a change of course. There may be some like me, who won't be able to help pave the way monetarily for our offspring, but want our offspring to at least have the chances we did to make it where we are. Pay raises may not be forthcoming, but when a dollar is worth a dollar, not fifty cents, people can still get by.

I've said it many times before, whatever is coming, I'd rather it start now. My generation and those before me made this mess, I'd like my kids to have the chance to see fixed, even if I cannot.

 

[Canuck 1]

There is a whole lot of nothing on the US/Alberta border, how can you be so sure?
We crossed into BC last year at Rooseville and it as not what I would call secure, just don't leave your automobile idle, that's apparently a crime. Ya'll got some weird rules, but those Rockies are on point.

Crossing is easy, getting away from that area is hard, north or south, easy top spot and track as there is very few people and fewer roads

Rooseville is in BC, BC is run by commies

 

[Sportin' Wood]

Crossing is easy, getting away from that area is hard, north or south, easy top spot and track as there is very few people and fewer roads

Rooseville is in BC, BC is run by commies

Snow machines then. LOL

Dang it, I'm so dumb I wanna try it.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Assuming I'm one of those 2 guys....I'm not trying to sell you shit.

I'm saying there isn't shit you can do about it, or I can do about it....so your choices are to either give up or figure out how to make the best of it.

I wasn't specifically thinking of anyone here.

I can do a few things, am and will, but I'm along for the ride with everyone else.

 

[Sandlord]

Tarrific! GM to increase Production in USA

Stellantis Halts Can, Mex Plants​

GM to Expand Production at Indiana Plant Thanks to Trump's Auto Tariffs

GM plans to expand production at one of its plants in Indiana thanks to President Donald Trump's tariffs on foreign-made cars.

www.breitbart.com

 

[Uncle Dave]

Tarrific! GM to increase Production in USA​

Stellantis Halts Can, Mex Plants​

GM to Expand Production at Indiana Plant Thanks to Trump's Auto Tariffs

GM plans to expand production at one of its plants in Indiana thanks to President Donald Trump's tariffs on foreign-made cars.

www.breitbart.com

Between this and the guy I hired yesterday the Tariff problem is solved !

 

[lbhsbz]

Snow machines then. LOL

Dang it, I'm so dumb I wanna try it.

They'll chase you down on horseback with funny hats and a strap around their chin.


Just bring a 12 pack of Molson ....throw 'em out like countermeasures and you'll probably get away...eh?

 

[Uncle Dave]

I think there may be a disconnect, or maybe a misunderstanding by some about others. Some feel that "the little guy" just doesn't understand the the tariffs, that some of us just aren't bright enough to understand the consequences. This may be true for some, but not all. I think think there are quite a few that have realized the status quo was leading us to our demise.

This may not be the desired course for some, but it's a change of course. There may be some like me, who won't be able to help pave the way monetarily for our offspring, but want our offspring to at least have the chances we did to make it where we are. Pay raises may not be forthcoming, but when a dollar is worth a dollar, not fifty cents, people can still get by.

I've said it many times before, whatever is coming, I'd rather it start now. My general

There is definitely a disconnect .

You believe these new taxes are going to improve you and your families life at some point.

I do not believe or trust the government.

I do not believe additional taxation is going to be improve the life of anyone I know or in the near to mid future and perhaps never at the rate it's currently going.

 

[monkeyswrench]

There is definitely a disconnect .

You believe these new taxes are going to improve you and your families life at some point.

I do not believe or trust the government.

I do not believe additional taxation is going to be improve the life of anyone I know or in the near to mid future and perhaps never at the rate it's currently going.

Well, I'll give you credit. You didn't outright say I don't understand...

Let me put it bluntly, in my more redneck vernacular:
Those of us with bloodied and calloused hands are laughing at the pearl clutchers getting pinched.

No sense in whining about it, we just keep on moving on. It's that, or roll over and die. There is no in between for many of us, no time or energy for it. I ain't planning my funeral just yet.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Well, I'll give you credit. You didn't outright say I don't understand...

Let me put it bluntly, in my more redneck vernacular:
Those of us with bloodied and calloused hands are laughing at the pearl clutchers getting pinched.

No sense in whining about it, we just keep on moving on. It's that, or roll over and die. There is no in between for many of us, no time or energy for it. I ain't planning my funeral just yet.

"Those of us with bloodied and calloused hands are laughing at the pearl clutchers getting pinched.
That's a great line btw - is that you or did you lift that from somewhere? Really I'll use that myself.

I think we agree that it's always entertaining to see the arrogant takers get what is duly coming to them and few feel sorry when they do.

We disagree just who is getting pinched - to you it's the pearl clutchers.

I think its the average guy getting fucked the most here.
He's has no practical way to avoid most of the taxes and is being told the pot of gold is just over the rainbow while the government gets more of their money while giving back peanuts.

Unlike many I can do something about it other than watching myself and people get fucked in slow motion. I dont like the other options but I need to be in situation where I dont get fucked with by the new guy every cycle. I dont like my options but I may need to use them.

I also dont believe any president should have the right to simply decide how I run my business (or you yours) to his or her liking. Kings do that and we dont have Kings in the US.

 

[caribbean20]

I kind of see this as the first, and maybe necessary, salvo this country needs to get shocked back to reality. We’ve been enjoying the largesse of hand outs and excessive government spending for far too long. This looming federal debt crisis is going to cause pain for all of us. Time to get used to the new reality, and I guess it takes a President in his second term to deliver the bad medicine.

Wherever these tariff rates land, it will be a needed increase in revenue for the federal government. Now let’s whack spending and get out of this downward spiral of big federal deficits.

 

[monkeyswrench]

"Those of us with bloodied and calloused hands are laughing at the pearl clutchers getting pinched.
That's a great line btw - is that you or did you lift that from somewhere? Really I'll use that myself.

I think we agree that it's always entertaining to see the arrogant takers get what is duly coming to them and few feel sorry when they do.

We disagree just who is getting pinched - to you it's the pearl clutchers.

I think its the average guy getting fucked the most here.
He's has no practical way to avoid most of the taxes and is being told the pot of gold is just over the rainbow while the government gets more of their money while giving back peanuts.

"Bloodied and calloused hands" is I guess mine? I always think of Pops coming home at night, always left before dawn, often bloodied rags in the truck or a bandana from cuts. When I lost my finger at work, that's what I thought of climbing the ladder to the roof deck the following week. Life isn't easy. I've caught grief from some I have respect for here, because I'm really here too much. Very true, I must admit. As current events have thrown the world in turmoil, personal events have done so to my home. I'd love to be able to do 50+ hours on site again...it was easier, and harder, in different ways.

In a way, I misspoke. It's not just the "pearl clutchers" getting pinched. It is all of us, no doubt. We will all feel it. As I said though, others have already been feeling it, in one way or another. Those who are more financially stable have been fairly insulated to some costs though. I'm actually very lucky. By the grace of God, and some very nice people, I've been able to keep things somewhat stable. Some others I know have gone into serious debt, trying to maintain.

Do I know or believe there is a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow? No. I have to believe what is ahead is better than what is here though. Moving forward is better than standing still.
Hit the days running if you still can, even though most of them suck.

 

[Uncle Dave]

I kind of see this as the first, and maybe necessary, salvo this country needs to get shocked back to reality. We’ve been enjoying the largesse of hand outs and excessive government spending for far too long. This looming federal debt crisis is going to cause pain for all of us. Time to get used to the new reality, and I guess it takes a President in his second term to deliver the bad medicine.

Wherever these tariff rates land, it will be a needed increase in revenue for the federal government. Now let’s whack spending and get out of this downward spiral of big federal deficits.

Neither my company nor myself count in the " We" you are mentioning.
If I were the benefactor of said largesse or handouts I'd probably feel a lot better about giving away more. I dont even get whats actually owed to me.

As it stand Im still in arrears over 1.4M for something like 3 years now and I get nothing but run around
I did get part of it but Ive had to pay every quarter like clockwork more and more and more the latest was having to expense engineering spend over 5 years vs being able to deduct in the year I pay for it.


Totally agreed on using the money to whack the debt - how much of the covid money has gone to do that since they've been taking it starting in 2018?

 

[Uncle Dave]

"Bloodied and calloused hands" is I guess mine? I always think of Pops coming home at night, always left before dawn, often bloodied rags in the truck or a bandana from cuts. When I lost my finger at work, that's what I thought of climbing the ladder to the roof deck the following week. Life isn't easy. I've caught grief from some I have respect for here, because I'm really here too much. Very true, I must admit. As current events have thrown the world in turmoil, personal events have done so to my home. I'd love to be able to do 50+ hours on site again...it was easier, and harder, in different ways.

In a way, I misspoke. It's not just the "pearl clutchers" getting pinched. It is all of us, no doubt. We will all feel it. As I said though, others have already been feeling it, in one way or another. Those who are more financially stable have been fairly insulated to some costs though. I'm actually very lucky. By the grace of God, and some very nice people, I've been able to keep things somewhat stable. Some others I know have gone into serious debt, trying to maintain.

Do I know or believe there is a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow? No. I have to believe what is ahead is better than what is here though. Moving forward is better than standing still.
Hit the days running if you still can, even though most of them suck.

I appreciate your strong work ethic.
I didn't see much of that in LA, some.
I see that in the mountains up here.

 

[monkeyswrench]

I appreciate your strong work ethic.
I didn't see much of that in LA, some.
I see that in the mountains up here.

Thank you, but I think it's everywhere. Maybe it's lost in the fray. Big cities you're going to see the majority, because there's just so damned many. There will always be the others though. Maybe it's because everyone has to move so fast in the cities, they can't see what's around? Maybe the percentage is lower, or it could be the societal shift pushing people away from trades seen now as unskilled, when in fact there is much skill required with the labor seen.

 

[JBS]

Apple is investing 500 Billion in factories in the USA.
Give it time.

What happened to this?

Apple commits $430 billion in US investments over five years

Apple today announced an acceleration of its US investments, with plans to add 20,000 jobs across the country over the next five years.

www.apple.com

 

[Doc]

Just my humble opinion here, I'll be the first to admit I am no professional in trade. I'll start with this though, I think the tariffs this time vs Trump's first term is effecting way more people this go around partially due to the last 4 years of inflation. We've been overpaying for most basic things for the last few years that has put dents in everyones pockets. Let's also not forget all the luxury items people over paid for during covid markets that are probably now regretting and trying to get out of. During Trumps first term we didn't have that inflation and the economy was extremely strong so you had a lot of people paying more but way less complaining about tariffs during that term.

As far as I know, the Biden administration didn't remove any of Trump's tariffs from his first term unless I am wrong. I don't recall the media or really anyone else really complaining about that but maybe it was because our focus was 100% pointed at inflation?

Again feel free to correct me if I am wrong but isn't Trumps tariffs reciprocal for the most part? If so isn't the point of that to get countries to remove tariffs on us to balance and actually promote true free trade? He's already claiming some countries have already called him to start some negotiations which could be BS but one thing I think he is telling the truth is when he says, "If I would have asked them they would have said no."

 

[Mr. Jones]

What happened to this?

Apple commits $430 billion in US investments over five years

Apple today announced an acceleration of its US investments, with plans to add 20,000 jobs across the country over the next five years.

www.apple.com

Nice. They will invest the money and the higher wages and cost of manufacturing the US will result in more expensive iPhones.

I never thought I would see so many on the right excited about tax increases. Not too long ago, the big deal was getting a pipeline of oil from Canada into the US. Next thing I know, I'm going to wake up to Democrats saying drill baby drill and screw electric cars

 

[brgrcru]

Great discussion

But all I see .
Speculation 101’

Nobody knows what’s going to happen

The experts don’t know
Ya they can go off charts and what iffs

We dont know, you don’t know
Nobody knows.
Sit back , maybe don’t have a $1000 car payment . Or maybe you have to stop spending $2000 a month on dinner and drinks

All I know is we have been screwed over from the global homos since WW2
70+ years of politicians and there corporate buddies giving our life away . For the greedy bottom line.

At this point in my life
I seen the what government can do , to someone’s life first hand

So at this point
Fuck the government and fuck the rest of the world

America first ……

 

[t&y]

Nice. They will invest the money and the higher wages and cost of manufacturing the US will result in more expensive iPhones.

I never thought I would see so many on the right excited about tax increases. Not too long ago, the big deal was getting a pipeline of oil from Canada into the US. Next thing I know, I'm going to wake up to Democrats saying drill baby drill and screw electric cars

I think what you are seeing is those on the "right" supporting actually getting something done about the issue facing our nation, instead of looting, burning, and calling everyone racist. And we all know, in order to get the Democrats to support anything, all we need to do is have Trump rally against it. Tesla is a great example.

Or, we could just continue status quo and prioritize gender studies abroad.