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I'm sharing this Wall Street Journal editorial in its entirety so the members can understand the depravity of the people running our country. Biden is just the front man, the puppet. Even so, he is culpable for many of the disasters we now face, both domestic and international.

Krystal Tobias, age 9, and Laura Hobbs, 8, were riding their bikes in the Chicago suburb of Zion in 2005 when Jorge Avila-Torrez grabbed them, sexually assaulted them, and stabbed them to death.

Laura’s father, Jerry Hobbs, found the bodies of the girls in a public park and was accused of their murder. He spent five years in prison pending trial, while Mr. Avila-Torrez remained at large.

In 2009 Mr. Avila-Torrez, who had by then joined the Marines, murdered 20-year-old fellow Marine Amanda Jean Snell. According to a statement from the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia, he “jumped on her as she slept in her bed, bound her wrists with the power cord from her laptop computer and strangled her with the rest of the cord.”

A federal jury sentenced Mr. Avila-Torrez to death, taking into account his prior convictions for having kidnapped three young women in Arlington, Va., in 2010, “one of whom he raped, sodomized, strangled and left for dead.” He later pleaded guilty to the murder of the young girls in Zion.

Mr. Avila-Torrez is one of the 37 inmates whose federal death sentences were commuted to life in prison by President Biden on Monday. Capital punishment is a debatable question, and Mr. Biden cited his own “good conscience” Monday as justification for sparing the hangman. He said he couldn’t allow “a new administration to resume executions that I halted.”

But why does Mr. Biden think his conscience is superior to those of the jury, or for that matter of the larger society and Congress that have reserved the death penalty for especially heinous crimes?

Consider Anthony Battle, who killed an Atlanta prison guard with a hammer while serving a life sentence for raping and killing his wife. As the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals described it, in 1994 correctional officer D’Antonio Washington was “found lying on the floor of Cellhouse C with blood spurting out of his head.” Mr. Battle was found standing near a vending machine where he had hidden the hammer he used for the murder.

How can society protect prison guards if inmates with life sentences can kill them without risk of death row? Juries found Mr. Biden’s commuted killers deserved the ultimate punishment for their crimes, which aren’t in dispute.

Meanwhile, Mr. Biden has left the death penalty on the table for three killers who murdered Jewish congregants at a synagogue, African-American worshippers at a church, and innocents at the Boston Marathon. These killers still get the chair, but multiple child killer Jorge Avila-Torrez doesn’t? Mr. Biden’s inconsistent conscience is an affront to the victims, and it has not made the justice system better or the
country safer.

 

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I'm sharing this Wall Street Journal editorial in its entirety so the members can understand the depravity of the people running our country. Biden is just the front man, the puppet. Even so, he is culpable for many of the disasters we now face, both domestic and international.

Krystal Tobias, age 9, and Laura Hobbs, 8, were riding their bikes in the Chicago suburb of Zion in 2005 when Jorge Avila-Torrez grabbed them, sexually assaulted them, and stabbed them to death.

Laura’s father, Jerry Hobbs, found the bodies of the girls in a public park and was accused of their murder. He spent five years in prison pending trial, while Mr. Avila-Torrez remained at large.

In 2009 Mr. Avila-Torrez, who had by then joined the Marines, murdered 20-year-old fellow Marine Amanda Jean Snell. According to a statement from the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia, he “jumped on her as she slept in her bed, bound her wrists with the power cord from her laptop computer and strangled her with the rest of the cord.”

A federal jury sentenced Mr. Avila-Torrez to death, taking into account his prior convictions for having kidnapped three young women in Arlington, Va., in 2010, “one of whom he raped, sodomized, strangled and left for dead.” He later pleaded guilty to the murder of the young girls in Zion.

Mr. Avila-Torrez is one of the 37 inmates whose federal death sentences were commuted to life in prison by President Biden on Monday. Capital punishment is a debatable question, and Mr. Biden cited his own “good conscience” Monday as justification for sparing the hangman. He said he couldn’t allow “a new administration to resume executions that I halted.”

But why does Mr. Biden think his conscience is superior to those of the jury, or for that matter of the larger society and Congress that have reserved the death penalty for especially heinous crimes?

Consider Anthony Battle, who killed an Atlanta prison guard with a hammer while serving a life sentence for raping and killing his wife. As the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals described it, in 1994 correctional officer D’Antonio Washington was “found lying on the floor of Cellhouse C with blood spurting out of his head.” Mr. Battle was found standing near a vending machine where he had hidden the hammer he used for the murder.

How can society protect prison guards if inmates with life sentences can kill them without risk of death row? Juries found Mr. Biden’s commuted killers deserved the ultimate punishment for their crimes, which aren’t in dispute.

Meanwhile, Mr. Biden has left the death penalty on the table for three killers who murdered Jewish congregants at a synagogue, African-American worshippers at a church, and innocents at the Boston Marathon. These killers still get the chair, but multiple child killer Jorge Avila-Torrez doesn’t? Mr. Biden’s inconsistent conscience is an affront to the victims, and it has not made the justice system better or the
country safer.

Makes me sick to my stomach. This guy will continue to be funded by us, and what hurts the most is he will have the opportunity to feel happiness.
 

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For the life of me, I can see no reason for a killer of women and children to be allowed to live. Why would one elect to let him live? Why would a President of the United States spare the life of useless scum?
X-2 on this exact statement!!! Shows the brain capacity of FJB. Dude never fails raise the stupidity bar.
 

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X-2 on this exact statement!!! Shows the brain capacity of FJB. Dude never fails raise the stupidity bar.
"FJB" probably has no idea what is even going on. Just signing paper put in front of "him". More likely it is someone else...

My question is who decided the 3 that didn't get their sentence commuted.
 

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Here I believe is the reason the Dems lost the election. Most of us are tired of the Dems nod to trying to tell eveyone how life is to be. Newsom did a similar thing when he took office. CA had voted to restore the death penalty and added enhanced laws to improve the time from conviction to injection. He stated his "moral obligation " is to cancel all death penalty moving forward even though CA residents voted to approve. Now if my memory serves me correctly, wasn't the whole purpose of goverment "For the People" Somehting is gotta change and hopefully the new administration can fix this BS. Sad day and really feel for the families of these thugs.
 

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FJB, I hope he has a miserable few years left, wearing a diaper.

Is there any way Trump can change what Biden did with the sentences? I don’t know, I’m asking.
 

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FJB, I hope he has a miserable few years left, wearing a diaper.

Is there any way Trump can change what Biden did with the sentences? I don’t know, I’m asking.
That would be delicious if he could, put another L in the column.
 

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Life in prison is harder for the inmate. It's also cheaper to give a person life instead of sentencing them to death. I really don't see an issue here.
 

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The problem with actually killing them is the corporate prison system does not get paid the big bucks for incarcerating them. Rape or murder, there should be no second chance.
 

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How is incarcerating cheaper than death? Don’t see how that math adds up.
The legal costs from the beginning are significantly higher, and the mandatory appeals.... If these men have exhausted their appeals, then there's no cost savings. I would personally rather be put to death rather than spend life in prison.

'Florida has estimated that the true cost of each execution is approximately $3.2 million, or approximately 6 times what it would cost to keep the person in prison for life.'

 

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Life in prison is harder for the inmate. It's also cheaper to give a person life instead of sentencing them to death. I really don't see an issue here.
I looked it up, it's about 65k a year to keep someone on federal death row. I'd say it's cheaper to execute them.
 

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The legal costs from the beginning are significantly higher, and the mandatory appeals.... If these men have exhausted their appeals, then there's no cost savings. I would personally rather be put to death rather than spend life in prison.

'Florida has estimated that the true cost of each execution is approximately $3.2 million, or approximately 6 times what it would cost to keep the person in prison for life.'

My Texas taxes pay for the regular removal of these shitbags from society. I'm good with it.
 

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My daughter has an interesting take on the death penalty. She said "killing a killer just makes you the same. On the other hand, there is no reason to support or help them. Chain them up in the forest, and let nature decide."

Me? I'm all for public hangings.
Escape from New York comes to mine. Blow up the bridges and put all inmates on the island. Fend for themselves.
 

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Escape from New York comes to mine. Blow up the bridges and put all inmates on the island. Fend for themselves.
Too close to town...Haiti/Cuba. They may not even notice them for a few years.
 
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