No you don't need to run hyrdraulic steering, Rudder design plays a huge role in how drivable a boat with cable steering is. Plays zero role with hydraulic, all you have to worry about is the rudders actual performance in regard to how the boat handles, not how it feels at the wheel..... Since you haven't been able to get the good Morse command 2 rotary cable steering for about 10 years now you really only have a couple options....
-Full cable, bicycle chain and pulley steering (sucks imo, takes up tons of room)
-Calgo cable (Not a big fan of this stuff either really)
Solid linkage gear steering (Works awesome, but expensive and takes up lots of room through the boat, with complex rods and linkages)
-Passive hydraulic, not powered (either very hard to turn, or easy to turn but 12 spins on the wheel lock to lock)
-Full Hydraulic (Butter, but $$$$$, lots of plumbing, cooler, filter, pump, helm)
Welcome to the boards BTW, not too often that you see a V-Drive open bow, especially with some power, that's a nice single balanced ram setup too
Sorry so long to reply, I don't go on a lot. Not sure what Sys, you have driven on the passive steering, Far as being hard or 12 turns, Not mine, it was 2 1/2 lock to lock. And my kids had no prob, with the turning and they were 8 an 9 at the time. Solid link, good in Hydro's, and is kinda Complex.
I could not believe how well the sys, I put in worked. and took up very little room I'm trying to find all my paper work on it, But i will go out and take a pic of the helm in a bit.
Hey dave
The interior was old and a few other things.
5years ago I was just going by the sandbar slow of course, And I had a lifter come apart.
Like a dummy I had my foot on the gas when I was starting it that day and didn't realize it, And when it started it rev-ed to the moon before I could get my foot off it, And the cam slap the lifters hard and it was all downhill from there,
So I put new ones in but I'm just not happy with them. So I'm going to machine the block for these bigger lifters that my friend has, Bigger in dia, and in $$$$.
Just dont want to have that happen again, I was real lucky this time so $1200 in lifters is better than 30K or more for a new motor.
Well I'll try to get a pic, up of the steering in a few,
Sorry so long to reply, I don't go on a lot. Not sure what Sys, you have driven on the passive steering, Far as being hard or 12 turns, Not mine, it was 2 1/2 lock to lock. And my kids had no prob, with the turning and they were 8 an 9 at the time. Solid link, good in Hydro's, and is kinda Complex.
I could not believe how well the sys, I put in worked. and took up very little room I'm trying to find all my paper work on it, But i will go out and take a pic of the helm in a bit.
Well I'll try to get a pic, up of the steering in a few,
I'd like to know what helm and system you are using, because both the Hynautic, and the Teleflex capilano system i have used, are not even remotely comparable to full power (obviously), in fact they have way more wheel resistance than any other type of steering i have ever used, including cable, the only thing that makes them better than cable is that they are a one way system (the rudder can't turn the wheel), AKA you can let go of the wheel or relax your grip while driving straight, which helps a lot with arm fatigue, but in most cases i have come across even cable steering takes less force (or has less friction is what i'm saying) when actually turning the wheel (if this makes sense). I'm using 'very hard' to turn as a comparative term when comparing them to all other steering systems. A kid can drive them no problem, it's not like it takes hulk hogan to turn the wheel, i've just never came across one that was silky smooth along with being ultra responsive and easy to turn, which I have many times with cable steering.
The capilano helms have a knob that you can adjust the steering speed with, and when you turn it to fastest setting they get WAY harder to turn than when it's at the softest settings with the most turns lock to lock
EDIT: BTW i think i saw your boat in the River Rats II DVD, looks like it runs pretty good
EDIT: Looks like a balanced(shaft comes through both sides of the cylinder) ram on your steering. When running a single ram setup if you don't use a balanced ram the steering will respond considerably faster in one direction than in the other. IE when the rudder is straight it may be 3/4 of a turn to go to right lock, and 1.5 turns to go to left lock. This is because without a balanced ram it takes more volume of fluid to fill the back of the cylinder than the front, because you have to subtract the volume that the shaft occupies on the front side.
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Ok I finely looked at it. And Racey you are right,
It is The Teleflex Capilano PN# HH5275 num,1275.
But far as being hard or "not even remotely comparable to full power"
A bravo 1 drive isn't that much easier than mine, and that's full pwr, steering. But yes it is that "silky smooth" feel. I do know what you mean.
I do know if you skimp and use small,dia line going to the ram it will be a lot harder, Like #4 or 6 instead of #8or -10
I don't know about you but at High mph, I like it to have some stiffness to it. (WOW That didn't sound right) HAHAHA. Nothing like hitting some rough water and have your wheel turn to easy, That's a good way to take a bath.
And yes I think cable steering takes a bit less force to turn, But been there done that with a push/pull sys, with one and a two cable deal.
I just don't think that is the strongest way or the best way togo.
But I totally understand what you are saying about the silky smooth feeling.
But to be honest my arms don't get tired at all and I drive a lot, from Havasu all the way up river to needles all the time with a lot of playing on the way.
Yes I here my boat is in that Video but the funny thing is I just switch over from my MSD 7AL to my 7AL-3 and of-course the purple and green wire were switched but I didn't check the timing like a dummy and just went out that day and said WOW its just not running rt, WTF, well they usually don't with 7deg, of timing instead of 30. HEY look my ex, is yellow. lol.
Dont know what it is with MSD and some times having to switch the purple and green wire on some boxes,
If you are referring to the Injector, Having two of the openings plugged, it's far from that. and yes the driveability is fine, well fine enough for my kids to wakeboard an tube behind it.
But it use to run 115 on any given day, KEY word used to, Till I stripped it down. well kinda. I can still get it going if needed. Dave has seen it around a few times.
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You putting a new water pump in it?
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Just my 2cents,But just know if your running hyd steering that is NOT Full manual if you ever lose power you may not have any rudder control I used a full man. system it is easy to use and very tight (no slop)
Just my 2cents,But just know if your running hyd steering that is NOT Full manual if you ever lose power you may not have any rudder control I used a full man. system it is easy to use and very tight (no slop)
You will have rudder control, it will just be hard to turn the wheel, char-lynn helms will push fluid without a pressure supply
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And I had a lifter come apart.
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